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Not made a huge difference yet though has it?

Yep, let’s have a laugh about Maidstone when the news is about over 200 Muslims butchered at prayer. Had they been Christians this place would be full of it.

Oh dear hypo, you are slipping. If I had written this you would have been all over it like a rash. Anything written by the forum bully though and you bottle it. Why is that? It is not everyday that I agree with Shurlock, but in this instance he is 100% right. This has nothing to do with Southampton FC so what is it doing here?

I am glad I give you a laugh, pal.

Gray had 19 games (win % 31.58) Wigley had 17 games (win % 17.65). MP has had 13 games. Perhaps ask me again if he gets to 19? By the way Pearson managed us for 14 games with a win % of only 21.43 - much worse than Gray - but there many who were mortified when he was sacked so go figure. Weren't both Gray and Wigley promoted from within and not experienced managers? I would imagine that counts against them when making a decision to keep them or not early on. There are plenty of managers who have had poor starts and have gone on to better things, just as there are plenty of managers who have had good starts only to end up getting the bullet - Ranieri being a prime example. Not one of us knows what goes on behind the scenes. If the club feels that he warrants more time I am sure he will get it. Either way, it is better the club makes the decision rather than a bunch of internet warriors who have absolutely zero experience of running a club and for whom firing is the only solution the moment things aren't perfect.

The Titanic sinking was a disaster. Getting relegated is not the end of the world. If you support the club, you support them come what may.

It doesn't matter what era they come from. It shows that managers can turned things round given time. You seem to also ignore that many were calling for Koeman's head when he went through a small blip. Poch hardly set the world alight in his first dozen matches for us. Of course if things don't work you need to change them. Sorry but I don't agree that 13 games gives anyone time to make a difference.

I see you have nicked my criticism of you. Try being original for a change. 62 of us so far don't agree that he should be sacked yet. Are we all being superior? why don't you have a dig at them too? Perhaps we are not just knee jerk reactionaries. He may or may not be the man for us, but how can you tell after 13 games? He inherited a pile of problems which he is still trying to sort out. Perhaps he will in the January window, perhaps he wont. But there is absolutely no guarantee that anyone else will do any better. Her deserves more time unless you really think that it is a good idea to sack every manager after 13 games if they don't meet with your approval.

So what happens if he goes and the new manager doesn’t improve results? We sack him too? Has the time scale to prove your worth become 13 matches? McMenemy would have been out of the door before he turned things round then, as would Alex Ferguson.

Since when has a bunch of bed wetters on an internet forum constituted all Saints fans? I seem to remember them calling for Koeman's head after a blip. God forbid that any decisions the club makes be guided by an opinion on here.

No, you are right. It is always much better to panic.

When people start mentioning the likes of Pulis and Fat Sam you can tell that the plot has been lost.

If you are going to organise a putsch Guan you might at least pay your fiver so you don't run out of posts. Revolutions aren't done on the cheap you know!

The fans have never owned the club, so how can they get it back?

No, not at all Whelk and if you read my posts properly you would see my point. Unfortunately you get hung up on a Christmas ad (which by the way received many complaints) and Maidstone. If you aren't careful you will end up like hypo.

Nope, I clearly have not said that. Check the stats though and knife crime is on the rise in England and Wales as are homicides in general as well as serious sexual assaults.

Too subtle for some I would think Benjii.

Yes I was. No you didn't mention independence. I was trying a poor attempt at being facetious as, frankly, I had no idea of what you were going on about and still don't. As for your advice, I have been on this site for 11 years and have friends here too, so I'll think I will stay, thanks all the same. I work on the basis that if I upset people like you then I must be doing something right If it becomes too much for you, just put me on ignore and do us both a favour.

Yes I do realise that. The point I was making is that it also must be terrifying to be attacked by a gang with knives or baseball bats whether the gangs be religious extremists or not. It doesn't make it any worse if they are, yet it often seems that way when you read some of the posts on this thread. I have never said that people aren't saying that there isn't a problem with violence in other areas. Once again, my point is that if it involves Muslims or immigrants it gets a disproportional amount of attention ( to the extent that a couple of posters go out of their way to post links every time there is an incident involving Muslims or immigrants). If you believe that this thread is only concerned with Muslim terrorists then you haven't been paying much attention. If you look at the amount of murders and rapes in this country, I am sorry but Islam isn't a "significant" percentage of the problem. There is a far greater problem with the indigenous rise of knife crime here but you don't see threads running to page after page about that. There is a worrying rise in the number of acid attacks but no outrage on the threads here. Where do we see the claims that "we" need to do more to stop knife crime, acid attacks or whatever, yet Muslims get called out for not doing more to combat the extremists operating under the guise of their religion. You clearly don't see the imbalance that I see so lets just leave it at that before we bore ourselves to death along with everyone else.

I was responding to Hutch's post #6086. If you find my posts tiresome best not read them then eh? Back on track. A teenager was stabbed to death in a park in Penge, SE London, a few days ago. Four other teenagers aged from 14 to 17 have been charged with his murder. This is the 16th fatal stabbing of a teenaged in London alone this year. Last month a man was stabbed to death in Horsham, West Sussex and three people were arrested on suspicion of his murder. These incidents are happening with sickening regularity all round the country every week. If the accused had shouted "Allah Akbar" or pledged allegiance to IS there would be another outpouring of anti Muslim posts on here by the usual suspects. When we terrorise "our own" it is just business as usual it seems. Terrorists come in all shapes and sizes but the only ones worth mentioning are Muslims it would appear. Is it any worse to be blown up by a suicide bomber or mown down by a van than being beating to death by a gang wielding baseball bats or stabbed to death by a group of people with knives? Regular poster hypochondriac finds it funny that I mentioned that we have a problem with serious crimes on a regular basis in cities and towns all over the country. Sour Mash thinks that our problems will be solved if we just stop Muslims coming into the country despite the fact that he is more likely to be killed by a non Muslim. I agree with you CB Fry. it is tiresome having to make the same point over and over again. Unfortunately it would appear that, until some people accept that the problems we face do not revolved predominately around Islam, the point will need to be made again and again.

And it is also a simple fact that the Scots are not independent is it not?

Sorry? Have I missed something? Have the Scots become independent? So back on track. A man was beaten to death on the streets of Ilford in the early hours of this morning by a gang with baseball bats. No hint at the moment that it was a terrorist attack so Batman hasn't bothered with it so far. If the Muslims had been involved we would all know about it by now of course. Because it is carried out by some of our own though it isn't worth a second thought. No doubt hypochondriac is already trying to think of something pithy to say along the lines of I'd rather be in Ilford than Maidstone whilst completely ignoring the high rate of murders committed on the streets of our towns and cities with a sickening regularity. Still, as long as we have Islam to worry about we don't need to worry about the psychopaths next door do we?

Especially ex-Saints!

Like many others on here I got to know Lee back in the dark times. I was supposed to go to a meeting that he was arranging with the prospective new owners but sadly, it didn't happen and I didn't get to meet him. He came across as a really decent guy and his passion for all things Saintly was there for all to see. RIP Lee.

Probably just as well nobody else wants them because if the wrist slitters are to be believed we will sell anything that moves. Don't you find it strange that people were moaning when we sold our best players and now people are moaning because no one wants them. People are even moaning now that we didn't sell Virgil in the summer. Happy days.