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I am not saying anything. I am just telling you what the stats say and what the consensus of what I have found on the Internet says about the best left back in the Premiership. It would appear that going by the stats Baines was better than Shaw. You initially said that Shaw was the best left back. The stats say not. If the stats say that Cole was better than Long last season then that's fine by me.

One more stat before I call it day. PPI points. Baines 542. Evra 487. Shaw 469. Full backs are expected not just to defend nowdays but also to provide more attacking options and that is where Shaw falls down at the moment and why, in unbiased terms, her wasnt the best left back in the Premiership last season.

No, let us just gather more evidence other than your opinion and then make a judgement shall we?

This is your exact quote Delldays.

Delldays quote was that Luke Shaw was the best left back in the Premiership last season. I am struggling to find much evidence of that (as good as Luke clearly was).

PremierLeague.com users team for last season - left back Leighton Baines

He is a pro. Pro Soccer Talk Best Defenders of last season. No 5 Leighton Baines No 8 Luke Shaw

Joey Barton (professional footballer). "I dont think any left back really stood out" but chose Leighton Baines for his best Premiership side of last season.

FourFourTwo - best full back of the year last season - Leighton Baines

Spot on for a change Delldays

Caught Offside's best 20 players in the Premiership Season 2012/13. Best left back (at no 12) Leighton Baines. England Team starting left back - Leighton Baines.

Not according to the fantasy football teams he wasnt.

Really?

Probably Throbber. If it wasnt the track from Fragile - The Fish - it could well have been Amazing Grace. Although I think he often put both of them together. He gets a great sound from the Rickenbacker. Him and Entwhistle probably the best bass players I have seen.

Yes they were. It is one thing us having a pop at each other - but having a go at someone who can't defend herself and the nature of some comments - well out of order.

Thanks for the thoughful repsonse Steve. There is clearly no quick fix for England's problems. They were talking on Talksport about doing away with a full time manager and brining in someone part time to manage based on the main make up of the team. Eg - if you had 4 Liverpool players then us Brendan Rodgers for a couple of years (while he still manages Liverpool) The idea was that it would be easier for him to get his ideas across as many of the team would play his way anyway. Falls apart of course if the all get injured or lose form! I remember Mick Channon saying about Lawrie Mac, he just used to get good players in and let them play! Perhaps that is the problem, to many systems and to much tinkering? We just dont have the quality at the moment though to let players just play. What we have though is what we always have after a disppointing England performance - lot of reactionary comments and ideas. If the problem were that simple to fix I am sure someone would have done so by now. Even the great Sir Bobby Robson came across his "best" team through injuries to "key" players.

Perhaps we should draft Mary Berry and Paul Hollywood into midfield?

Cant see much point to loanning out a player if we then pay all of the wages? Surely the point (apart from them getting games) is to get them off the wage bill? Even if we supplement some of the wages - there has to be a saving for the club?