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Easter was a one off. Cup competions are one offs. The CCC teams play an awful of of midweek games compared to a few years back. Go and watch that film of the 1966 final again and see how many players are strolling aroung the pitch with their hands on their hips having a breather. Premiership clubs have much bigger squads now because they can't get 13 players through one season.

A couple of bew players would help but it is hard to see that happening unless we can ship others out. Sadly it will probably have to come from within, which is why I am saying there needs to be a change of attitude by many who see that the current regime are only here to destroy the club. Like him or loathe him, we are stuck with Lowe right now and if we do not support the club as a whole, the infighting will tear the club apart. Churchill made an alliance with Stalin for a greater good, we need to get through this season in one piece and worry about the Chairman in the close season. Otherwise we shall certainly still be *****ing over Lowe whilst in the third tier.

Oh dear, here we go again. Do Premiership teams play on Saturday then on SKY the following Monday night??? No we are not the only team to have to do this this time but we were when we played Palace a few weeks ago. When you are down the bottom and struggling with a young and inexperienced side do you think it is helpful having to play two games in two days?? Still you are always up for a pop Steve and never disappoint do you? I am sure you can remember the good old days when teams had at least three days rest between games?

There is so much to be said for a winning and tough mentality. We don't have that yet and it is hard to see where it is going to come from. What price a Jimmy Case right now?

It wan't that long ago that Charlton were being held up here as a model for us. Just goes to show how hard it is to keep things going for clubs of our size..no matter who the manager or Chairman are!

We are not talking about park football here. I used to play Saturday afternoons and Sunday mornings but expecting people to play at this level twice within a couple of days is a bit different. There is the mental tiredness as well as the physical aspect. In the good old days of the 60's and 70's player could have a breather but the game is played at such a fast pace now that you cannot switch off for a second (apart from our defence of course!!!)

They are only human. The pressure must be getting to them and the confidence not so much ebbing way as pouring away. Charlton are another club going through the same stuff and they were riding a lot higher than us until recently. It happens to teams every year and it is happening to us right now. If we had picked up a couple of wins before the Palace game who knows, things might be different now. Lose several games on the trot and fear and doubt creep in, people lose their heads and rows break out. That is exactly why people need to pull together now and regroup and support each other rather than point fingers and lay blame. But we are so much better at the latter.

Duncan, you say returning to an old job or relationship often ends in tears but seem to be backing a group of people (including one with a bigger ego than Lowe's) to return? Those same people also made a pig's ear of running this club. Apparently you stood up in the meeting and asked Lowe about the past rather about what his plans are to keep us in the CCC and for the foreseeable future? Why? The past is dead and gone, the only thing that matters now is getting out of our current mess. Crouch was no better than anyone else we have had at the club in recent years, in fcat he was probably worse in many ways. You also whet people's appetite's with more tales of takeovers and Shearer??? You came on here and said that you were 99% certain that Pearson was staying. Didn't quite pan out did it? People listen to you because you have a long standing assosiation with the club and because you have a certain cult status after your well publicised phone call with Lowe. Perhaps you should be more careful about what you post? We are now going to have weeks of speculation about another alleged takeover and new manager...

Not all of us.........only Alpine and Fitzhugh Fella!

Not all of us.........only Alpine and Fitzhugh Fella!

According to the AGM JP is responsible for picking the teams and the tactics. Wouldn't it make sense for him to take responsibility for the poor results as well?

According to the AGM JP is responsible for picking the teams and the tactics. Wouldn't it make sense for him to take responsibility for the poor results as well?

I find the whole thing incredibly sad. Like a bunch of kids squabbling in a schoolyard. McMemeny was a legend for what he achieved at SFC as a manager but his behaviour is every bit as pompous and unsavoury as Lowe's now. In fact I would say he has the bigger out of control ego. Crouch is another who neds to look at himself. Wilde probably had the best idea and kept well out of it! As for the "Usual Suspects" from the floor...they seem hellbent on living in the past. Really, does it matter who set up the academy, or about a picture or whether Lowe takes repsonsibility for what happened several years ago now? Someone should explain to Lawrie's wife that that picture was taken over 30 years ago - what is happening now is more important. I expect the "Usual Suspects" all applauded her - what the ****? What has that got to do with SFC and our troubles in 2008? There are two things that are of total importance right now - financial stability and winning some games. Lobbing coins and wittering on about an old photograph might warm the hearts of those who are so hell bent on their agendas re Lowe that that that is as far as they can see, but as he said, he isn;t going anywhere anytime soon... As for certain people saying that Lowe (or anyone esle for that matter) does not have a right to be at the club - what arrogance. Like him or not, like anyone or not, that have as much right to be here as the people putting the questions. What makes me laugh is that the people who prattle on about diversiveness are just as guilty - if not more so - of causing the diversity! Everyone, I mean everyone, needs to grow up and pull together for the sake of the future of SFC. Lowe is right about one thing if nothing else, the team needs total support, whoever is playing.

Thanks for the update. If one or two others go these two might just help put a few more points on the board.

And many buisnesses are now going down the tubes. The music chain Zavvi (who took over from Virgin) are the laters High Street name to go into administration. Clubs like ours are not immune from the economic downturn. Football clubs have been paying ridiculous wages for far too long and many are now going to pay the price.

That's the trouble though. Money was put into the team under various managers. In hindsight we can say that the money could have been better spent, but it makes no difference now. We have what we have along with many other clubs who spent time in the Prem or old 1st Division but didn't have potloads of cash to burn either.

Lowe will not be spent as long as teh financial backers think he is the right man for the job. AS for whether I think he SHOULD step down...I don't think it will make any difference to our plight right now and out of the current bunch available I would stick with Lowe and Cowen unless we ever get our sugar daddy. I am more concerned with JP and his ability to scrape enough points together to avoid relegation. I would love to have a manager here for three solid seasons at least but I don't see Jan showing any signs of learning any lessons about how to win CCC football matches. Our immediate concern is to get points on the board. I think that situation will only change if something is done at the football management level.

It is not about Lowe and his ego though is it? He has gone to the bankers with a plan which they obviously support. I suppose he could have gone to them with a plan to bring in Mourinho and a few class players and they would have told him to go away and lie down in a darkened room. Whatever the fans might think, the only people who matter right now are the people who hold the purse strings.

Probably. All of these so called white knights can't be seen for dust. Lowe was right when he made the comment about putting money into foootball as being akin to burning cash.

A peope wonder why so many football fans hate United????

As ever Alpine, a little ray of sunshine and hope....... .......... but I reckon 6 would be a fair bet.

Whether Lowe's time here is spent or not (and after the vote I doubt that for now) what is the alternative? Neither Wilde nor Crouch have covered themselves in glory and apart from Cowen, who esle is around right now worth a punt?

I agree, what is the alternative? The previous characters hardy covered themselves in glory and whilst it is possible for someome else to come in and steady the ship, without a decent level of wedge it is hard to see how things can be radically different. We need cash in order to get our strikers back of to bring others here. We need cash to sort out the defence. Where is that going to come from???

Come on Steve, With Richard's track record wouldn't you say it was an incredibly stupid thing to do? However he "threw" or "lobbed" the coins he was playing right into Lowe's hands. He has effictively deflected attention away from Lowe and the plight of the club and onto him and his actions. Lowe may have a huge ego, but so does Richard and McMemeney for that matter. We could do with rid of all of these characters and have level headed people with level headed plans here instead of a bunch of melodramatic pantomime characters playing out their rolls whilst the club suffers. Frankly I am sick to death of all of them and their stupid games.

It was a foolish action by a foolish man. Chorley becomes more and more the characature of the "class warrior" from decades ago and has played right into Lowe's hands. It doesn't sound like McMenemy acted brilliantly either. What right does he have to tell anyone that they are not welcome at the club? And what difference does it make if money was wasted on certain players. Every manager we have ever had (including him) has wasted an amount of money on dodgy signings. The issues we have now are beating relegation. To excuse JP as he is a "nice man" is plainly ridiculous. Nice man or not he is the manager and is responsible for the team. Perhaps these issues were covered, but I would want to know what plans Lowe and his team (including JP) have for turning things around from now until the end of the season. All we are talking about today is Chorley and the fact that the meeting was conducted very badly.