OldNick

The thread is about Extinction Rebellion. They want their wishes done in 6 years. So you may get some of the electric but plastics etc come as by products of fossil fuels the same as our heating and transportation

Has diplomatic immunity ever been waived? It is a minefield, but if there is a precedent then we could perhaps use that. It is a very sad situation. I would like to also point out that I suspect any US president would be unlikely to grant the wish even if it was Obama or Clinton, It has been used to favour in the past especially when some Jewish children were saved from the Nazis in the 1930's as they smuggled them out in cars coming back from Europe.

Im all for having an election fought on those issues as long as people really know what ZERO carbon really means to their lives. At present they are being fed stuff that is totally exaggerated and many are following like a load of 1950's schoolgirls. Tell the electorate exactly what it means to their everyday lives, how our economy will shed more jobs and industries than ever in the history of our nation. How potentially they will not be able to use a computer, telephone, car, bus, train, aeroplane for the rest of their lives, fashion will end, that holidays will be a thing of the past and their lives will be basic at best. No flowering it up and saying that its best for a toad or a butterfly but that they will see a change in all our lives that we will not really be ready to cope with. ZERO carbon in 6 years!!! And if the quote is correct that the sea level has risen 1.5cms in 40 years I feel they are overstating the 'climate emergency'. I also find it ironic that all those people in their matching colour coordinated clothes lipsticks and facepaints are helping cut down the rain forests for the palm oil needed for such products.

Yes there may well be a tipping point and perhaps the numbskulls may not be who you are pointing at. From that same twitter there was this and the links if you need them are on that. It was also on there that in 40 years the sea level has risen by 1.5cm. There will have to be a sudden rush for it to raise 1/2 a metre. I may add that I am not against society doing something to reduce our pollution and do so in my own life, but I have a great distaste to these people who are basically using lies and extreme fear (especially when young children are being frightened)disrupting normal peoples lives and having a jolly LIST OF DOOMSDAY PREDICTIONS THE CLIMATE ALARMIST GOT WRONGHere is the source for numbers 1-27. As you will see, the individual sources are not crackpots, but scientific studies and media reports on “expert” predictions. The sources for numbers 28-41 are linked individually. 1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975 1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969) 1970: Ice Age By 2000 1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030 1972: New Ice Age By 2070 1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast 1974: Another Ice Age? 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent 1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes 1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend 1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s 1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs 1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not) 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not) 2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is 2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’ 2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014 2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015 2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’ 1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide 1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources 1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years 1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years 1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 90s 1980: Peak Oil In 2000 1996: Peak Oil in 2020 2002: Peak Oil in 2010 2006: Super Hurricanes! 2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015 1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985 1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable 1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish 1970s: Killer Bees!

Amazing, and she is a spokesperson, thanks for posting that up . Zion Lights if that is her birth name you can imagine her parents and the environment she was brought up in. I liked reading the comments about her and using a NASA scientist who helped put a man on the moon, and then went onto say about the millions of tons of fuel used. Fantacists, and hopefully as more of the nonsense these people are exposed the more sensible people will drop away and accept we can help but only in time.

So your understanding of science is to read what they are saying and take it chapter and verse. There are 2 parts to the thinking. Remember the Professors from Southampton University about 10-15 years ago where they unveiled years of work showing the world they had found how to produce energy from nothing. It was world news lol. They missed a basic theory in their calculations. I was told by another scientist about 40+ years ago that it was impossible to find more elements, that has been proved bunkum, the expensive space project that sent a probe to (?) mars and it ran out of fuel as they had calculated in litres when another had calculated in gallons. Dont believe all you read, take into account self interest, the amount of jobs that climate change has provided in the media and elsewhere, and its big business worth billions of dollars. That even on Attenboroughs programme about the seas that 70% of carbon dioxide comes from the seabed, that we are living in the times of social media where hysterical reactions are whipped up, by 24 hour news programmes that need something for the masses to watch. Yes there is a change in the worlds weather, well so it seems but in 1963 (56 years ago and we have not had anything like it since) it snowed for months on end with no sign of it ending, can you imagine Greta and in that situation she'd be putting on her gasmask and marching with her hoards telling us we are doomed. I want things to change but not at the panic rate that is being demanded by those self righteous people. We are due a very cold winter and the timing is about right for the protestors to say 'we told you so'

60 in November, depressing but the alternative is worse. I would never think of smacking my grandchildren and would protect them to the end. I can understand why smacking is now frowned upon, although a light tap to show what is right or wrong may do some good. I must say I would love to do a running kick to these people glueing themselves to roads buildings etc. It may be best to leave them glued and with a bit of luck they will get hypothermia overnight lol

No, because most homes have 2 cars or more, that the young generation think that if they have a birthday, squeeze a spot or have a stag do they must go to Magaluf/ Budapest / Barcelona perhaps both, hence travel fuel usage has grown. The tax was always low on airfuel

well others think you may be wrong, but I see it that way as well.

But carbon zero in 11 years!!!

just because they didnt vote doesn't mean they wanted in or out. Why not wait to do the referendum in 10years time as another 2or 3 million will be gone? The problem is how can you appease the 17.4m people who voted leave and then betray their wishes. It is a problem we can fix IMO

yep if you totally believe in the science. At the same time not costing your economy and normal people great inconvenience, depriving people who have worked hard and want to break to Europe or hardship for businesses that a lot are really suffering at present.

yep, but that was nearly 50 years ago, show the younger generation what they are asking for, it seems easy to some but they dont understand. As I say it is fine if done over a long period but it cant be done in 11 years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-49972467

Yes, I agree but the 'must do it now' is a nonsense and the whole thing puts peoples backs up to make them detest these people. Yes lets start with bottled water, takeaway plastic containers, burger polystyrene packets and plastic wrapping. Perhaps we should give the nation a dose of electricity being rationed for halfa day and show us how difficult it will be to live the way these people areasking

wow, were the topman at the debating society? Of course only the Guardian reports anything honestly. That the internet does not have other peoples/scientists views.

I doubt you have many who will argue against that, but you cant do it so quickly. You of course used the word 'eventually' these people want it done now.

All that face paint and the palm oil used for it. 'Chop down some more trees we have an environmentalist who needs lipstick'

but that is the crux of the matter. everybody in the main has their own work/life commitments. Hence you have 2 cars. Having a good train service would help but again to get to the 11 year thing most transport is off the cards. Transport is major part of our lives whether for leisure or business, all those container lorries going up and down the country, how are we going to get rid of that, where are their jobs?? It is a mammoth task that can only be done in time as technology allows. Im not sure what exactly the government can do, who in their right minds will ban fossil fuels although I expect Labour may say something to be a vote winner for the unthinking

Lol, I assume the next thing will be that the clothes industry will only be allowed to produce all the same coloured suits for us all to wear. The lunatics are really going to take over the asylum

What car do you drive. Before I go to that nice shiny place in hell I think you are a 2 car family. What are those? Afterall being the saviour of the planet and all that, you most surely now have cut your cars down to just the one and that being low powered hybrid engine

and you have now???

The protestors are not helping as they are annoying people not educating them. I dont care what they are telling me as it is impractical and impossible to do in 11 years. I read sometime ago that the increase in heat was not as much as the computers had predicted, the information was incorrect. I do not have a closed mind to it, and as I say I have made changes in my own life to help. There are people who have a different opinion in the scientific field and are shouted down, sometimes with fact other times with predictions. We should all be aware that there are forcesout there who are using social media to create fear and panic for different motives. The money that can be made from this is eyewatering.

I have read about the science, but I have an open mind and read the counter as well. It is not 100% agreed and there is much self interest going on. I recall the images of the polar bear staving to death, and the one on an ice flow. People were up in arms. It turned out the polar bear was seriously ill and the other was a case of normal life of polar bears where they move around swimming from ice flow to ice flow.

That is fair, but until we change our need for strawberries in the winter etc Nolan is providing a service that the people desire. To me the biggest thing we could do is reduce the use of plastics, not only for the enviroment but of course the energy etc used for something this is not always required. It is essential in many areas but I feel the packaging industry is going to be difficult place to be in the near period.