OldNick

Saga was not faultless, there never is a player who is.He scored 2 very good goals and worked hard, but did no more than his other 2 forwards for effort and commitment. The whole team did well the manager included

Any smoking guns can be debated.One thing for sure trousers is that if it had anything to do withRL and could hurt him it would be well debated on here.i have no problem with that.

Any smoking guns can be debated.One thing for sure trousers is that if it had anything to do withRL and could hurt him it would be well debated on here.i have no problem with that.

That sentence is exactly why Duncans post is right to be questioned.It is like saying that there was no smoke without fire re Dave Jones and also that poor bloke who spent years being accused of murdering the girl on Wimbledon common.

That sentence is exactly why Duncans post is right to be questioned.It is like saying that there was no smoke without fire re Dave Jones and also that poor bloke who spent years being accused of murdering the girl on Wimbledon common.

Whilst i understand where you come from on this I do think that MC is doing things with the best intentions, but perhaps a little misguided who has her ear and the advice she may be taking.

Whilst i understand where you come from on this I do think that MC is doing things with the best intentions, but perhaps a little misguided who has her ear and the advice she may be taking.

I dont see he's on the ropes at present. Look at it this way. Saturday the march was attended by less people. The message has been diluted by disagreements how it should be run.The media were not interested, a major mistake was made by sitting in a public highway as it inconvienienced people who may have sympathised but then will be upset. Some fans would have been uncomfortable by the Wotte out stuff. We won and the new manager installed on saturday anyway seems to have given the club new belief. Divide and conquer has always worked in the past and from saturday that has been the case. Until we get a leader of the fans who can embrace all to act it will always be Mickey Mouse.

I dont see he's on the ropes at present. Look at it this way. Saturday the march was attended by less people. The message has been diluted by disagreements how it should be run.The media were not interested, a major mistake was made by sitting in a public highway as it inconvienienced people who may have sympathised but then will be upset. Some fans would have been uncomfortable by the Wotte out stuff. We won and the new manager installed on saturday anyway seems to have given the club new belief. Divide and conquer has always worked in the past and from saturday that has been the case. Until we get a leader of the fans who can embrace all to act it will always be Mickey Mouse.

Read your post 'How about deliberately leaking their salaries to the Echo in some pathetic attempt to justify the persecution of senior players going on at SFC ? To me, that was a complete breach of trust and possibly even employment law.' Now tell us how I have twisted your post? You can't, and you have in your usual way tried as part of your 5th columnist campaign against the club to use anything as a weapon to hurt it. it is not me who is doing the twist., it is you who do more twists than you would see at a Rock and Roll convention.

Read your post 'How about deliberately leaking their salaries to the Echo in some pathetic attempt to justify the persecution of senior players going on at SFC ? To me, that was a complete breach of trust and possibly even employment law.' Now tell us how I have twisted your post? You can't, and you have in your usual way tried as part of your 5th columnist campaign against the club to use anything as a weapon to hurt it. it is not me who is doing the twist., it is you who do more twists than you would see at a Rock and Roll convention.

that is the point.I myself was very concerned that MC felt physically threatened and stated so.If that is truly the case that RL waves a fist under her chin, then that adds a major question mark of ever giving RL the benifit of the doubt. I would like to quantify what 'physically threatened' would entail. My understanding would be as above, if it was a raising of his voice or being disparaging then that is something different. The phrase makes any defence of the man immoral and so it needs to be clarified

that is the point.I myself was very concerned that MC felt physically threatened and stated so.If that is truly the case that RL waves a fist under her chin, then that adds a major question mark of ever giving RL the benifit of the doubt. I would like to quantify what 'physically threatened' would entail. My understanding would be as above, if it was a raising of his voice or being disparaging then that is something different. The phrase makes any defence of the man immoral and so it needs to be clarified

I think Jonah is making a point though.Duncan is judged by fans to be in the know and so if he is going to make a claim like he did that blackens the already tarnished reputation of RL to make a point sound even more sensationalist it should be pointed out as it is morally wrong.

I think Jonah is making a point though.Duncan is judged by fans to be in the know and so if he is going to make a claim like he did that blackens the already tarnished reputation of RL to make a point sound even more sensationalist it should be pointed out as it is morally wrong.

I had the same converstaion with my brother yesterday when he wondered the same.My commented that it has always been the same with Saints.When we beat Man u 6-3 or 3-1 or Liverpool 4-2 it was always put down as they werre bad on the day, when we lose it was because the other team are better not that we have an off day.That's peoples perception , we only win as the opponents have an off day, it's pathetic

I had the same converstaion with my brother yesterday when he wondered the same.My commented that it has always been the same with Saints.When we beat Man u 6-3 or 3-1 or Liverpool 4-2 it was always put down as they werre bad on the day, when we lose it was because the other team are better not that we have an off day.That's peoples perception , we only win as the opponents have an off day, it's pathetic

it was the physically threatened that was alarming. I would suggest that there was a bit of authors artistic licence used. But as Fc said its best to let it lie as FF, MC wont wish to make a big deal of it.I just think it shows we have to be very careful how we word some of these things said to us privately

it was the physically threatened that was alarming. I would suggest that there was a bit of authors artistic licence used. But as Fc said its best to let it lie as FF, MC wont wish to make a big deal of it.I just think it shows we have to be very careful how we word some of these things said to us privately

Come on show us the proof it was the club.You have made one hell of an accusation there. You have just jumped to a conclusion.there are many ways JE's salary could have been leaked. I dont expect you have an answer

Come on show us the proof it was the club.You have made one hell of an accusation there. You have just jumped to a conclusion.there are many ways JE's salary could have been leaked. I dont expect you have an answer

Well the nbanner should have read Wotte look behind me we are not all 16 year old kids, not Wotte out.

Well the nbanner should have read Wotte look behind me we are not all 16 year old kids, not Wotte out.

Stand back and look at it from Wottes position.The first march there were definitely Wotte out chants and saturday the leading fans in the group had at least 2 placards against Wotte.He would rightly believe that that group were against him. Before you tell me he is too sensitive remember how the marchers got all precious when he dared to say about them. The fans in the ground were fantastic marchers and all.I went to the game in trepidation as i thought the anti lowe stuff would carry on in the ground, it didn't and so credit to those 'true' fans as well.

Stand back and look at it from Wottes position.The first march there were definitely Wotte out chants and saturday the leading fans in the group had at least 2 placards against Wotte.He would rightly believe that that group were against him. Before you tell me he is too sensitive remember how the marchers got all precious when he dared to say about them. The fans in the ground were fantastic marchers and all.I went to the game in trepidation as i thought the anti lowe stuff would carry on in the ground, it didn't and so credit to those 'true' fans as well.