OldNick

I do understand and I also have sqaid on here it should be 1 out all out. The debate does get polarised to RL/LC .I have noticed in the last few weeks where people like myself have mentioned the others in the background that posts are now becoming more prevailent about the damage they have done. I think the White Witch should be recalled to lift the curse on us again.

The trouble is a lot of our players are such a high wage for their quality we cant get the wage bill down easily. So the mismanagement only started this season Lol. it started decades ago, we highs and very many more lows.We then had a time of changing of managers for various reasons (not all our own making) and we got relegated again for various reasons.Yes RL made some appalling mistakes but he was not the only one to blame. The Wilde bunch came around and a vast majority of fans chose him.It is funny that the fans are wanting to apportion blame to the chairman for bad decisions and then convieniently fail to see their own MASSIVE mistake. RL should go for his staying with Jan too long and sadly also not down to his importance but as the fans will never be united with him. I have been told that the fans protests do not faze him and in a way he enjoys being the pantomime villain, I doubt marches or singing songs about him will get him to step down. He probably believes that we will get out of it still and if so all those defeatists will have to eat a bit of humble pie. I will not be persuaded that the unrest is there solely because of who is chairman , I firmly believe that it is due to the fact that we are facing relegation and so turn our angst against whoever we can thrash out at.He is somebody we can all aim our anger at.

You should listen to the Steve Wright show in the afternoon. RL has nothing on him, unless you say how wonderful the show is etc you will never get a message read out.

You may but many would complain that the free buses were topped the Itchen corner closed or we had signed last years Euro footballer of the4 year and not the current one. Even under LM there were fans questioning his decisions including me I may add.

It tells us we are abysmal when he plays for us if your analysis is fair

but he is right, if those things happened now or under RL fans would be banging on about it.

Well I dont believe that the club made any attempt to embrace us as fans when we were kids in the late 1960's early 70's. As I have stated before fans like myself as 8-10 year old kids being thrown out of the club car park while we waited for the players autographs.I suggest that John Corbett was our chairman at that time. The club has been an old pals act for generations but only for commercial reasons did the club become 'family friendly' Obviously I have had my opinions formed by those days but it happened and so that is why i am cynical about it.

Apart from that what have the Romans done for us.

Well the powers to regulate the financial system was taken away when Labour came into power. It was then left as a self regulatory system for the FSA.

Lol

Gregory and Deacon put a lot more into the club than the crowd we have of course.

Iam with you and very critical of RL due to the fact.I keep getting positives from people(at the club who are close to what is happening) about Wotte since he has taken over and whilst my positves have yet to be rewarded i can sense that there are some good things happening behind the scenes.I know the results havent shown that yet.

i was careful not to put you in that bracket Ump because that is not what I put you down as.

Lol, no I dont think MLT was playing for us then. I do realise you were being just a ad pedantic you old tease you.I of course meant we have been in holes before and got out of worse ones than now.

But they are only prohetic if it comes to pass.Do you not agree with the folly of sayong we are relegated already with 14 games to go? To me that is defeatis to the highest degree. as for the doom mongers, some I have the greatest respect for as they were at least seeing it from an even prospective while some are doom mongers for doom monger sake. it was fairly evident that if yuo took the risk the club did things may turn out bad, it was a case of giving it a chnace to fail before being completely down on it

i dont know how long you have followed saints but in my time i have seen us in many worse states than now.I agree we haven't got a MLT but a flukey win will change things for us.The pressure by us winning a couple would put pressure on thise above.In fact our worse time would be if we get 4 points above as we would crumble if the pressure from below us.Charlton have won and are catching us, and so we are not the only ones looking rt o drag our way out of this mess.

Thanks for that, Id have hated to have to come on and apologise for getting it wrong

Interestingly Pompey went into terminal decline then as well.

Alps we have 42 points to play for and 5 adrift.If we were 5 points clear and knew that the team below us had 14 games to play would you realistically believe we were safe. Defeatism on here is all around, its like France 1940.

That was 1 I was alluding to.

I myself will blame RL for keeping Jan too long.There again if the fans turn on the club when we still have ample time to stay up they will not be above some blame.

LTC, you know I have no problem with any fan on here.Many do not take to my manner but if we all met up I suspect we'd all get on fine as we ALL are Saints fans.I know my faults, Im dismissive and can be cutting.i like banter and like to give back as much if not more than i get. 1 thing unites us all is SFC, at the same time it divides us all. My mindset is that however little my shouts of encouragment help even if it is misicule i am adding a positive. SRS thinks that singing anti RL vitriol doesnt make a difference to the players, I firmly believe it does as the whole crowd is feeling negative and that transmits to the players.I doubt they look forward to playing at SMS as they must feel the pressure of the fans needs.It is not blaming the fans it is a case of adding more pressure on their shoulders.Having a more experienced team will help and a home win will open the floodgates to a decnt run IMO. We cant wait much longer for that to happen, but when it does it will be magical.

I would not normally wish to have a Pompey fan on this board ,but as you have given your thoughts in not a provocative way i will applaud your post. I recall watching Pompey in the 70's/80's /90's in the lower leagues and admiring the poor souls turning up game after game to watch that shower.The tables have turned, i would like to be in the Pl still, but to watch a load of footballers who in the main cant pass a ball 10 yards and on 35k+ a week would wind me up. The fans around me are the proper fans who in the main will still be there in L1.They all work and live for a saturday afternoon and whilst resent RL in general understand that he is not all bad.I go to have some entertainment and if we had won 2 or 3 more home games i would be happy with my lot. Another 6-9 points at this time and the anti RL posts would be reduced by 70% on here.i can say that because when we were on an alright run earlier in the season the same old negative fans were not on here day after day peddling their negativity. I dont apologise for trying to be upbeat, as that is how i deal with my disappointment a couple of days after a game.I know the players are now firmly behind the manger and that there is good morale, that tactics and motivation is being instilled again and so perhaps that is why Im not quite as desperate at present.

You are normally right about facts etc but are you 100% sure we were in the bottom 3 when HR arrived as i thought we were just above, as i say you are probably right on that though

i believe that Wigley was a mistake BUT to be fair, he was told by medical people that Killer would be back.We suffered from players like BT and Phillips having long injury lay offs, I recall at Everton we had to play 2 17year olds up front. We were seconds away from winning at Highbury and it was only a wonderful goal from Van Persie that stopped us (although my experience of saints at Arsenal is that the ref will play until they get a result) and in the crucial home game with WBA Niemi was injured and we played a keeper who made 2 terrible mistakes to allow us only a draw.A win at Arsenal would have kept us up and so would have a win at home to WBA. I dont think there is an innocent in all parties involved in the relegation season, it is just convienient to blame RL