OldNick

Well if it meant us to have a running track around the stadium Im glad we didnt get it.Would the club have owned those facilities or was EBC going to have those costs. Wes I respect that you know far more than I do on this subject and I dont know who we should tham for the stadium, but I do know that since the 60's I had seen the promoise of a stadium time and again come to nothing.Under RL the stadium was delivered and so he must have some credit as SCC does as well. I do not see a problem though him trying to be shrewd and get the best deal.

BTF I agree and I was not aiming it at yourself or any other poster but Hacienda has lowered his comments to me on this thread and so I thought he needed a bit back. i try and be restrained but I will not sit and take abuse and then not answer back.

well you are wrong. Months ago myself and a few others warned that the economy was going to fail big time. I also suggested that anybody who had credit card debt on here should forego anything including a holiday to bring their borrowing down so they would be better placed to cope with these times. I also for the last 3 years have foreseen the state of the economy and the housing market.I downsized my house and moved into a smaller one 3 years ago and put a large amount on treasury. I would suggest that it may show Iam not such a numpty and might just read the markets better than yourself.

no because we have a personality, drive and ambition. Not a wish to sit on our a###s waiting for the next opportunity for a sickie.

inclusive of vat is different to a cost plus vat. Unless the price ticket says something like £10 plus vat I would suggest there is no law breaking.

Was House the bloke on TV who LM showed up when he didnt realise International cricket would be played at the Rose Bowl and the size of the crowds expected. As for Stoneham, dont most new stadia try and have supermarkets and hotels on the site to help pay towards the stadium.Come on I know RL has made some mistakes (haven't we all ) but to knock for trying to get another revenue stream to help pay for the stadium is wrong. Perhaps had we had those things at SMS we may not be so up s### creek.

that post is for people who dont understanding basic budgeting.

She should dowhat a lot do, leave and join an agency and then get more an hour from the NHS and the agency gets a fee as well.

No but the waste we leave is no doubt 3 times more, or there is 3 times chance we need the emergency services or call the council (if anyone is there of course) It is a fairer way of charging people and like VAT everyone pays in.

Was it ever implimented? I thought it never got through and so they put up the vat 2.5% instead. It was still a fair tax, or as it may cost you more you dont want it.

Who audits the costs charged by the auditors? Im sorry BTF im very cynical about all companies that sub contract or any payments the councils make.

That is the fairest tax of all. (we have 3 people in our house). Therefore we undoubtedly use 3 times the facilities , refuse collecting etc etc than someone who lives in a house alone. Every citizen would pay and perhaps there could be a levy to the main householder if they live in a higher price bracketed home.Id accept that, as long as ALL paid in.

I agree CB should pay up and you should also Ewell.We dont always see eye to eye but you also give good posts.

perhaps its because you are working for a company that is dealing with the council that are so lax in getting value for money, your company can afford you to take it easy and not work so hard. Please do not tell me that council workers do more hours than the private sector. Phone for an officer at the town hall before 10 or after 3 on a friday afternoon. I suspect you will get the 'Im sorry he's not at his desk at present' or 'he is at an outside meeting and will phone next week' or 'hes off sick at present' ps I meant to put up a smiley winky thing

I dont think that the majority of fans think the club ios being run badly at the moment, it is just who it is being run by.

When RL was not there and many joined the Pied Piper and his bunch the fans were united but then they moaned about the manager. A football club will never be united as there are too many differing views on all things.

Why should council tax go up by inflation? It is a case that if it is known that there is going to be rises in budget each year then there is no need to watch costs. It is very much in the top peoples interest that their budgets g o up, as they get rewarded more for having that extra responsibility. It is a bad system, the top brass should get an increase if they save not spend more.

Well as I am not part of local government I dont have self interest in my views. I see local government as a most wasteful exercise and see people retiring early with index linked pensions , whilst hardworking people have to work on later and not have those perks. My friend who put some computer systems in councils (it was some years agol) call them gloried file carriers. There seemed to be a culture of sickies and lack of motivation.if the councils were started all over and worked as a proper business venture it would cost us all as tax payers a lot less.

That is of course valid in some cases. I believe everyone earning more than me should pay higher taxes, and all those on my income and lower have theirs cut.

I thank you for your trouble, my original post was to a post later in this thread. i didnt trawl through all the earlier stuff as I only arrived back from my holiday in Florida where I was mixing with those capitalist Americans.

I see your post and why would the council tax not be able to be frozen.The councils would have to cut their cloth accordingly just like all people in the business world. The councils would have to take a proper look at waste and make plans neccessary.

Thankyou for pointing out my typing error. Perhaps that could be seen as contempt, or patronizing, arrogant and condescending. You see it is all how you wish to dress it up. Fans asked that if RL came back he should be quiet, I believe he has done so , but everytime he does make a statement fans paw over it to find a bit they can be outraged about. His opinion is that it is a vocal minority who are causing unrest ( I believe your quote to that is wrong as I doubt he would say a 'silent vocal minority' as that is impossible] It is fair to point out about the former regime, afterall the political parties have done so for ever and a day. I just want things to settle and that the club gets a breathing space and the politics become secondary.

that is fair, but at the time again the medical people told us he would be ok.We only have so much to sprinkle on the squad, but I do agree we have needed a big ugly c/b since MS first got injured.That is the main reason we got relegated as we never properly replaced Killer

you still havent answered why it is flawed to freeze council tax

Please tell me how you are being held in contempot by RL? Has he said anything at all disrespectful to the fans since he has returned....Not in my opinion, but please let me know what he has if so