OldNick

Well how big in life have you made it in comparison? i know its a lot further than me. To me being an Interantional football manager is big, a lot bigger than managing a CCC club, a lot bigger than managing a lot of Pl clubs as well. Only time will tell if he is up to it, but you are so desperate that he fails so in some way can try and prove in your mind that he was wrong here is pathetic. He did ok considering all that he had going on behind the scenes, and as it has now been stated he alos left with a great compensation package that the club used to help pay off debt or even the loan signings that helped us stay up after our spiral downhill after he left.

I was listening to a Scottish radio commentator last night and he was saying in the game against Iceland Gb brought on an uncapped player who scored the winner, he also g=brought on Iwelumo who with his first touch should have won the game. He said that had he scored they would have said Gb has a Midas touch, and none of the media stuff would be written. The fact is Iwelumo missed a chance that even Frannie would have put away and Gb is taking the flak. If Boyd is so up himself he does not deserve to play international football. How would we feel if Kenwynne came back to play for us now? Would the fans accept him after his I wont play antics? Im sure some would, and i am a great fan of his but not the way he conducted himself and the same goes for Boyd he is not a superstar and so should be a team player and wait his turn. As for playing players out of position, you dont have to look far in all the top teams for that.

Longshot thankyou for your reply but as I put you as part of the gang of 3 I feel a little less likely to take it. Ump is quite entitled to put up his smileys and rolley eyes, to me it is childish but if he wishes to do so fine. I can imagine at meetings with his bosses him pulling faces to his workmates to try and show how anarchic he is. It holds no water with me. I do accept he does put good points across and does look up the figures but as you know figures are only part of any arguement. It would be better if all these had more clarity (not Umps, because Im not saying he distorts them) but say up to when RL left, and again some of the cost savings take time to feed into the system something that I put across badly or Ump didnt want to see. My gripe with the Wilde bunch is that we knew that the parachute payments were ending and so should have planned for their loss, it is no good harping on about losing the £m's if we had been in the Pl as we knew that had happened and so needed to act. the firsat season was going to be a quandary as it was stupid to completely dismantle the PL structure as we may have bounced back, but 2nd and 3rd was the only opportunity to restructure without getting into a mess. Now some sya we had to go for it, thats fine but perhaps it would have bene better to have gone for it without taking big long term contracts.Then compounding things with other high contracts after the para payments were gone.

Ump, you have no confidence in my grasp of things, that is fine, I immediately have no faith in any of your judgement because you were on S4E really biigiing up the Wilde bunch and argueing against caution.Therefore your credibility in my eyes has been dampened wheras Jonah talked a lot of sense and seemed to have a far better grasp of the matter.Sadly he doesnt post on here anymore and then we would have a better balanced debate as he was better placed to show any inaccurcies. It is only a drop in the sea but if you also notice with the accounts that the salaries without players wages went up over 10k a week not down.That is hardly cutting costs. There was a 10m drop in the wage bill between 05 -06 and it is hard with figures that contain half of one season and the first half of another to exactly see where the wage bill was slashed. The people who were employed to run the club may well have had a closed shop, but when you have a major shreholder not happy invaribly he can get allies to get them removed. As I have stated before I dont beleive LC is the major reason it all went #its up but he was part of the cause and should hae acted. If people like myself could see we were heading for the iceberg then why did the custodians.

I wonder if Capello has had the same message from Michael Owen? This Boyd does he score shedloads of goals in Scotland, Iwelumo is a good forward , not top international class but should have justified GB faith by putting in the goal that could have been the winner. I dont understand the players decision and he is not the type of person you need in a squad.

Exit I generalise as IMO it was during the tenure of the whole Wilde bunch that the action for longterm financial security was not made no 1 in priority. LC without a doubt is a fantastic Saints fan and I have been told of him underwrting transfers etc I he may have a few loan notes on the club. I doubt he would let his business be run like he and the rest oversaw the football club. I am not singling him out any more than MW or the others who thought they would ride into the club and become heroes. They made a misjudgement and we are all paying for it , fans like myself who warned against it and the gushing fans like Umpahars who were sucked in by the promises and agrued that we should run into their arms. So no doubt I will get loads of rolley eyed things and told how stupid I am, but history tells us I was correct, they were wrong for the club. It is no different than what has happened in the global markets, others have made the bad calls and I and all the other decent people are left to pick up the bill.

you keep to your juvenile smileys to try and add some kind of moral support to your points. You believe that you are the Finnacial god on here when patently you are not. You may try and play the 'i know how to read the financial reports 'etc but you still do not answer the questions but skip over them with your attempts to discredit. The fact is RL took on Gb who culled the squad.Losing over 20 players on the wage bill doesnt happen immediately and some is held over to later accounts. You obviously have ties of loyalty over LC and thats fine and so defend his actions to the hilt. If a serious fraud had happened the board would be looked at as well as the people employed to do the work, and so the same goes for financial mismanagement. The whole of the Wilde bunch oversaw this during their tenure and LC was in charge in the last 6 months.In that time many high salaried loans were brought in, that also incurred expensive loan fees, hotel and relocation costs. He may have bene forced to do so due to our league standing but it was still at a high financial cost. I await the usual smileys and arrogant replies of 'but it was 5months 3 days not 6 months' etc. Do you agree that if a company loses a large part of its financial stream it should look to slash costs and make sure it is financially secure before taking on higher debt or costs?

well if another club was given the opportunity I expect we would have fans saying' why isn't it us ' There of course would be a cut in it for GH, afterall it costs money to run.We would have some new talent on the books and get our add on. Some would go on and become stars others just CCC standard players, but we may get some revenue in.

I saw an article on Sky sports about GH football school and that htey were going to play against a Southampton 11. Perhaps there is going to be a tie up with our youngsters and perhaps using us to send them on.

If you think that your patronising and attempting to be offensive posts effect me you have another thing coming. You may be able to put across your belief that you are some kind of financial guru but it doesnt cut with me. You dont see the effects of cuts straight away and many go forward into the next yerars figures. we came down with a pL wage bill and that would take time to reduce or do contracts and fixed costs mean nothing . Gb came to the club and axed over 20 players on high wages.It is something you dont seem to want to accept. that was in the period before the Wilde bunch tookover. Those savings would have been still filtering down in the following years figures that you seem to be putting to Crouch Wilde and co. They came in on a popularist vote and spent spent spent. those figures then follow onto the rising of the salary bill. The wage bill rose back up, and it doesnt matter whether LC or whoever signed the cheques they were custodians and they are responsible for the actions of the people they put in charge. The whole of the Wilde bunch were culpable as they took over the club and ran it into the ground and did not plan ahead correctly. As for your comment and constant going back to the relegation situation that was indeed a disaster but many companies lose major clients and with it finance, they dont then go out and employ more, they reduce cuts and take drastic action to make things financially stable. That is my criticism, if i lost my best client I wouldnt then go and stock up in goods that he required in the past or increase any of my costs. It is so straightforward and undefendable IMO. Whether you wish to point at Hone or Hoos I dont care , but the real financial problems have come to the fore under their stewardship. ps I notice you have had to resort to the funny faces to try and strengthen your debating, I had thought you had grown up a bit and refrained form using them.It may impress some of the youngsters but the mature posters would see through them.You are above having to resort to those.

its no use trying to try and persuade Ump any differently. I suspect on many points is correct and weak on others. He has great affection for LC and so will always defend any of his actions.He may be correct but as in all these things there is a little from them all. I myself beleive the new lot tried to curry favour with the fans in poplarist moves and forgot the finances as the parachute payments were ending.

Iam against booing players. As for Cole I thought it was pathetic but he is really the epitamy of the modern footballer and I think fans are sick to death of these type of players.

I now live in Salisbury enough said

Thanks BTF, Im gonna put the policeman right on that one

ahhh and England scared the s### out of Kazakstan for so long didnt they? Take account of the fact that he is an international manager. You can try your rubbishing of someone as you have no real answer to a fact.

As I have stated before, the second season when the wage bill came down was a carry over from RL installing GB whose remit was to slash the wage bill and get rid of the hgh earners, hence over 20 players departing. I dont know for certain who was in charge and making the decisions at any one time after Lowes removal but All that came in oversaw an increase on wages and that is criminal in a financial sense. It is not about RL being better but the wage bill was being slashed but the 'saviuors, and anyone but RL' crew took us back to the same heoights of wages that we had when we had a squad of PL salaried players when we first came down. It is a disaster and however you dress it up we were let down

MB I knew you'd get that one in. It did make me smile, but you are right 15 minutes into the second half, I do hope the referee is going to add on a lot of injury time.

a very successful businessman, but in real terms £2m a year is not a lot when you want them to invest in a football club. We need someone who is worth 500m and is prepared to lose 100m,where it is not a big loss in their living standars wheras someone worth 30m to lose 5-10m is a big cut in their lifestyle.

its how you die is the fear. Peacfully in your sleep in your 80's without knowing is the way to go

I hope the fine Italian had a good time too! Thanks, i am not looking to pick a fight but wondered as you are normally gened up on this type of thing and perhaps would be as surprised as me if this is the case.

I stated after speaking to a policeman he said thet he looked up an the governments accounts that the spend on the cabinet office was the same as we spend on the whole of our policeforce.If that is the case then it seems scandalous. Unless the cabinet office do a lot more than provide tea and doughnuts to civil servants and quangos to their mates. If you are not worried that this may be a waste of taxpayers money then fine, but to me it seemed a massive amount. I would happily point out I have no idea what the cabinet office do.

and the poster still wont go, because the football ain't good enough as we are only playing Rochdale, and all we are playing it the under 16's and a couple of 38 year olds.They've closed the family centre Northam and chapel and only have the Itchen and Kingsland open in the centre, also its far too dear to watch L2 football. I'm sure you know where we are with poelpe like that.

Snowballs you are above that I thought.He obviously is doing it for himself but he also has done it to try and repay the fans and club. He could easily have taken a fantastic insurance payout like a lot of the others have recently.

That is fine but the jibes are tasteless IMO. No doubt it is done in mirth but again it is wrong and those that try and get political points from it should think again

BTF can you tell me what the cabinet office spends its moneyon.I ask that as I had a Policeman call on my business premises as a hoolie had done some damage, and he told me the Police budget nationwide is 5.7billion and that he had looked up for spending in similar amounts on the national bill and the Cabinet office spent the same! Now that seems a lot of money to me, but perhaps you can explain as it is your field i would have thought. Ta Nick