OldNick

you mustn't forget the great British public who have credit card bills as long as your arm. None of them understand financial prudence (oh dear Im not allowed to mention that)

BTF I agree with you on that but where were the regulators or the government in this? The banks were a special case on this and the shortsellers should haveb een stopped immediately. They have overseen the speclators gathering around and did nothing to stop what was an apparent ambush. Millions have been made by a few people with no principle. I have no time for the bankers who took their bonusses from selling poeple mortgages even though it was patently obvious they could never be repaid.How can you lend people 125% mortgages and not realise that it would go wrong? This governemnt changed the regulations about lending etc(you think differently) t give us boom and now we are going to have the worst bust ever.

So did your fans abuse your board yes or no? If you dont reply by 10 oclock tonight you admit you are a pathetic little toady

it used to be a million million in my understanding but I think now its a 1000m. i must look at my bank statement to see

What you do with your free time is of no interest to me Derry

isnt 224m nearly quater of a billion then?

i agree Askham is the one person Id like gone over all others.

It doesnt take a lot to work that out. The secret is providing jam when all the ingredients you have is fruit that is not ripe and your housekeeping is all gone.

I did put charity, although as he has not been back I suspect the conviction of his words are not quite as those of his head when push comes to shove. The money would be coming to my choice of charity anyway

Chez I understand but the cost per head to keep the corner open was more than any other part of the ground.It had to be done. That corner would not have made a difference to the overall atmosphere eithr.

Now I can agree with that. If I was asked to budget pre season for crowd average I would have said 16-18k not the low ones at present. I myself dont believe he is trying to make us like Crewe as that is not the way forward.He is doing what he is because the youngsters are on low wages compared to the old pro's and probably as able to equip themselves as well if not better for the wage bill we at this moment can afford. I think we are treading water while he gets the club back on a better financial footing (although difficult in the trading conditions) and hopefully the team will develop for next season after they have earnt their spurs at this level.Yes players will go but will be replaced by other starlets or if th money imroves a better quality of older player.

No I wouldnt although the Skate on the Lounge I would. The point is if you are always picking holes in others and jumping on anything to make it seem you are correct, it a bit pathetic if you dont qualify your arguement.

I dont think he would, he wouldnt wish to risk money on a club that was on -15. I think that would test the resolve of too many fans

So a player who we had not heard of is plucked from another team and plays for us, why will that not happen again and again? Mix that with pormising youngsters and as the team grows we will get a stronger unit. It would be better for us to have a team of good useful players than starlets. We have been ruined by our success in getting some great players, many clubs get relegated after promotion and nobody wants their squad, we lose players when we nearly get relegated.We need to let the core of this team grow together and if the odd one leaves there is always someone else who becomes the star, Lallana is hardly a Theo yet and so that is why I beleive he will be here a while longer yet.

DD to be fair your mate does give out a lot of opinions but never replies to direct questions if he thinks there is any chance of holes being picked in it.You will lay out your plans and others also but him, I have asked for a reply about 10 times but he ignores the question.

Your user name is apt LF. My train crash analogy is correct. 32000 turned up for the last game because it was going to be drama. It had nothing to do with NP RL MW LC. Those fans paid top money to watch a great day they had great fun but still did not go to games before that or after. Some fans may not go due to RL, but they wont go if he's not there either, because it will be because it's too expensive, or the bus isnt free or a steward gave me a funny look or my burger was cold, or they sell Yorkies but i like Mars bars. The fans I stood with last night were probably the majority that the club can rely on (there are some living too far away or abroad or financially not able) but in the main the hardcore support. That is what RL has got to work with or LC or whoever. Now when an Arab with riches takes us over and spends 500m on the team but decides RL is the best man to keep the club to run financially those so called stay aways due to Lowe will forget all their principles because we are playing Man utd. It is not a dig at you per say but I would guess that if we were in the PL within a couple of seasons and are in a cup final even though Lowe was there many would return.

This posts just shows me how far the club has fallen if lLallana is the person who is the crux to success.Dont get me wrong I like him but he is only just learning his trade and is a long way from the finished article. If our youth system does its job there will be others, but our best youngster las night was not Lallana IMO but Cork who is not our player.

I would have wanted Davies as manager, but the set up would not be able to afford the costs.

Again we fail to agree. In the last 10 minutes Lisbee and the others forwards were pushed right up to our defenders and so they couldnt receive short passes.KD did take his time to look for options.It was good tactics by Magilton to cut the option out.If you recall when we did play the ball short Drew and BWP were getting caught out 10 yards from our box. I thing that surprised me after Ipswich took the lead that Magilton did not bring Campo on, if he had he would have killed the game and we owuld not have got back into it.

Fair enough. Can you see my constrenation with those fans when they didnt when we were in the PL and cup final? Why have they all of a sudden become principalled? i beleive it is an excuse because they didnt flood back when RL was sacked.

they'll be some cheap defenders in that case

you do use the word deluded a lot. I tell you what I will bet you £50 that Lallana will not be sold in the Jan window. The money can go to any charity you choose. I await you to take me up on it.

Wade I really doubt the gates would improve if Wilde and Lowe left, because most of us go to watch Saints not who is in the directors box.I myself was right against the Wilde bunch but still went and Im sure many others who detest RL go still because they are fans.We have to accept many fans will omnly go if it looks like we will win/in the PL or go to watch a train crash game ie Sheff Utd last season.

so you are saying what? that you cannot answer Westons pertinent question but criticise the only pragmatic way forward. Do you not think we all would like 6-7 seasoned pros in and only 3 or 4 youngsters? You vcan give up and say we are doomed and not turn up (thats ironic isnt it) or try and get the best out of the bare bones we have to work with. I may be the only person who can see this (although Im sure I am not) but we are in dire straits financiall y and to put out a team at the most effective but cheapest to appease the banks this is what we have to do. If we cant move the higher players on, they might come into the squad but they will have to have a positive mindset and also not have big appearance fee clauses in their contract. I didnt enjoy the game as much last night as the foogtball by us was not flowing as the youngstres no doubt felt the pressure. That is the way but I suspect (not that i read it ) the fans at the game were moe supportive than others who could not make the game for various reasons (yours being very valid). The fans in the min sang and supported the team and accept that we are where we are and have to make the best of it. Afterall we had post after post of fans complaining about the quality of football and the fear we were hoofing it too much, now we play the ball and as a fan of football im glad.

a fair assessment but sadly I cannot see any other way forward with the financial restraints.Ump gave the closest other way by scouring the lower leagues for Wotton type players who would accept a low wage but the quality woud be no better