OldNick

it is sad times for the city.IMO the council was too worried debating where to put the next set of traffic lights instead of doing what Portsmouth did which was to woo business away from us and made the economy strong before worrying about the more social issues.

RL obviously was in part at fault, but only part it is a complex arguement and there are so many others factors. The disaster of relegation came and we knew as a club that the parachute payments would stop. If your bank told you that the loan only was to last 2 years would you wait until the eve of its recall to make the plans to get ready to py it back? I doubt it as you probably are more responsible than that.

Perhaps the real culprits were the buffoons who think they are very streetwise who ran into the arms of the Wilde bunch when they were warned to sit back and really examine what was really on the table. Its easy to criticise fans like U&P and have a higher than mighty attitude but yours like all of of us are opinions and none of us have the full facts. As for LC who you hold in great esteem, he was in the chair for a short period but crucial period and he was also in the boardroom making votes while the parachute payments were coming to an end.He would also have santioned quite a few of the expensive contracts that we are having trouble unloading. Planning ahead does not seem to have been on the agenda as the costs spiralled and losses mounted but cuts and measures were not made to try and soften some of the pain now. The whole sorry tale has lots of villains but the innocents in all this the everyday fan has to pick up the pieces, very much like in the world now where the bankers had a merry time and now expect the taxpayer to bail them out. Its ok for financial people to think they know it all , they might know how to lend money but that doesnt mean they are any good competent in any other facet of life/business.

Are you saying that we didnt punch above our weight when we were stuck in a ground reduced in capacity by the Taylor report Or when we signed KK ? We punched above our weight period, and great credit goes to the club for doing so. As for Rochdale comment, why is that wrong I could have put Exeter or any other team that has never had any success and not been privilaged like we have. I cant see any problem with that I hardly am comparing them with us or saying our away fans are foolish unlike some have.

It was on the radio news, but of course I might have heard it wrong but it was on Radio 1....oh I should have realised

and that old **** tobacco

You are the bravest of the brave behind the keyboard. You cant afford a fiver to pay to be a full member so go and play somewhere else. Funny how you disappeared when things were not looking great at FP you only slink back when you think you can crow.It says a lot about what a complete tool you are. Yellowstreak.

another disaster to hit the cities commerce and workforce.Ford are closing its Eastleigh factory!!

So 32000k turned up because of NP's team playing exhillerating football or to watch a potential train crash? Yes I have seen NP's recent result, like us it was a defeat, except it was home to Millwall. You went and watched Lowe disunited when we were in the PL but all of a sudden get all principalled when we got relegated. I live too much in the past but am not naive enough to think we were some kind of club with super morals. We punched above our weight, had the fortune to unearth MLT who helped keep us from this fate earlier and in a perverse way it has cost us all as had he not kept us up the stadium would not be a burden around our neck. Before some go off on one Iam not blaming MLT for the mess. I am delighted to stand with the 12000 as the dont give in as easily as some, stupid we may be but honest loyal decent people who realise that every dog has its day, that we have been privilaged to see our club in cup finals europe etc when clubs like Rochdale have never tasted even that little bit of success. Im pragmatic enough to see why RL is doing what he is doing, do you not think he'd rather be popular and have money to splash to appease us? We are in the mire and have to the best with what we have. I knew it was going to be tough but the players are giving their best shot and are not being paid obscene amounts for doing so. I hope soon you change you opinion and come back to games, the club is dying and it is when bad health comes around you find out who your real friends are, at the moment the club has only 12k friends.

lol

All quite sensible but it would probably add 40k a week to the wage bill

100% correc=t IMO although my approval may not help Derry

i only put it down to people wanting toi thrash out in their disappointment and Dalek being the stalker of Hoddle aka the one on Alan Partridge or his agent.

No I dont MB, isnt it something like AskRupert? Email the club and they will pass it on, not before airbrushing the hairy bits

I dont thnk he wants pictures of scantily clad ladies today MB. Show him a few shots of gundogs or a few dead ducks (not the first team squad and manager) that will cheer him up more

if things were not bad enough we have the return of the biggest pr### to roam this site. If he registers as a member i might do something silly.There is a large oak tree across the road and ive got a noose.

watching Stoke yesterday mafde me hanker for the PL again, watching us made me hanker for us to stay up and see the team try and develop. A bit depressed about Saints today.

when optimists like you are concerned then we are in a bad way BS

there are two ways of looking at a viable team and taking extra losses to get be in that position. To get more of their money back they have to lend us more money currently to get more money back later. Or they keep us just afloat without taking more risk enough to get the stadium debt interest paid and also the overdraft down.Forget nit they still have3 the asset and if we do go into administration whoever takes over will have to rent the stadium back. To a degree a lot of the banks money is safe, they just dont want to increase our overdraft and in fact reduce it. That is why Saga etc needed to be offloaded.I worry for us in jan when Rasiak etc's loan runs out and he will be back, thus more heavy wages back on the payroll.Which leads us to the reckless contracts the club agreed to, I don't recall if RL was in charge then or not.

yes that is something noibody has picked up on James? was pushed in the back by Blackstock.

Firstly you would have to accept that banks know something about football to understand that concept.Secondly Saga would have to perform and score something he didnt do mush of since he got his contract. Putting 1500 on the gate will take more than Saga playing. You have to put yourself in lc or RLs shoes when putting forward a plan that the banks will accept, especially in the financial conditions at the time.In fact if we have to go to them now I suspect that they would pull the rug. We had to show ways we were trying to cut the costs and players like Saga would be big figures for the banks to gobble up and be pleased. As I said they are calling the tune and look at it as their money and dont care if we go down as long as they get their investment back. (that could be said of RL and Wilde of course)

In what way? I thought the Sheff utd ones were good and cant recall your lot.

We were looking the better side and the QPR players had lost their way until they got that obscene decision. We may well still have lost but at least it would have been down to honesty not dereliction of duty by the lino. Taht goal was a kick in the teeth and for quite some time we lost our discipline. Move on we seem to be cursed at present.

When did you stop going when you lived in the UK? Fans have been deserting since relegation and as time goes by there will be a natural decline as the disappointment will just make some give up. RL did not sanction those players you mention, and it shows that the wages they were taken on with are not sustainable by any other club even though there is no fee required.How is that RL's fault.It is patently obvious to every club they can have them for nothing. Again the bank said it would support LC as long as he sold/rid us of any asset that could be sold. RL woud have had to adhere to that and satisfied the banks for their continued support. We were fortunate that so many players came out of contract and their high wages were shed, some are still here and harder to shift that s### off a shovel. I agree RL is going for the cheap option but that is the most viable way forward.I defy anyone to accept that going into adminsitration and a minus 10 or 15 points would be recovered from. Playing this way we have avoided losing at least 10 points and whoever was in charge(manager) would have a team similar to we have now as the receivers would sell any player for almost any price to get the banks money in. We do not have the luxury of saying like it or lump it to the banks, it is them calling the tune.

I have wondered about the Perry thing and think perhaps that as we have so many injuries at the back he has to keep him fit for the more important home games coming up.It can be the only sensible reason, if not it was a terrible mistake.