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    How many players do we currently have who will have to be counted in the 25 man squad?

    Currently including Vestergaard and Gunn...

    GK's: McCarthy Gunn Forster Rose
    DF's: Hoedt Stephens Vestergaard Yoshida Bednarek Targett Bertrand McQueen Cedric
    MF's: Lemina Romeu Hojbjerg Reed Davis Armstrong JWP Clasie
    AM's: Redmond Elyounassi Boufal Sims
    ST's: Austin Gabbiadini Long Gallagher

    Thats 28 players...assuming we find a home for the ones in bold that leaves us with 23 players. Also doesn't include the "youngsters" that now have to be counted in the squad (not sure how many of these there are now?)

    Still probably a wide man and a striker away from the squad as of August too...

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    We need Over land and sea to work his magic on this.

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    Squad size will be ok no doubt but quality remains a question which is the thing concerning me this window. Yes, we've signed xyz but they are all squad players to add depth and options. But none with any "star", game changing quality.

    We are just hoping based on their stats and their previous experiences that they come good for us in the first team and that they will develop into the stars we hope they will be for us.

    But that is The Saints way. I suspect anything more would be considered unsustainable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BotleySaint View Post
    Squad size will be ok no doubt but quality remains a question which is the thing concerning me this window. Yes, we've signed xyz but they are all squad players to add depth and options. But none with any "star", game changing quality.

    We are just hoping based on their stats and their previous experiences that they come good for us in the first team and that they will develop into the stars we hope they will be for us.

    But that is The Saints way. I suspect anything more would be considered unsustainable!
    You've kind of answered your own question. I think making stars really is what we're best at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BotleySaint View Post
    Squad size will be ok no doubt but quality remains a question which is the thing concerning me this window. Yes, we've signed xyz but they are all squad players to add depth and options. But none with any "star", game changing quality.

    We are just hoping based on their stats and their previous experiences that they come good for us in the first team and that they will develop into the stars we hope they will be for us.

    But that is The Saints way. I suspect anything more would be considered unsustainable!
    Rubbish, we have youngsters that can be 'squad' players, these have been bought as first teamers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingeletiss View Post
    Rubbish, we have youngsters that can be 'squad' players, these have been bought as first teamers.
    Is that true? Is Armstrong a definite starter? Or this new CB ahead of Yoshi, Hoedt, Bednarak and Stephens? The latter in particular would surprise me.
    The only starter seems to be Elyounoussi to replace Tadic.

    I'm talking about players who unquestionably would start ahead of what we currently have.

    But as noted above, I think I already answered by own question
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    Quote Originally Posted by BotleySaint View Post
    Is that true? Is Armstrong a definite starter? Or this new CB ahead of Yoshi, Hoedt, Bednarak and Stephens? The latter in particular would surprise me.
    The only starter seems to be Elyounoussi to replace Tadic.

    I'm talking about players who unquestionably would start ahead of what we currently have.

    But as noted above, I think I already answered by own question
    We wanted a no 10, Armstrong fits that bill, we wanted another attacking midfielder, Elyounoussi fits that bill, we wanted a CB to dominate in the air, Vestergaard fits that bill. So for me, they are first teamers.

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    Certainly would expect them to be.

    Amstrong in the hole, Elyounoussi out wide, Vestergaard a starter, only one is maybe Gunn who will be fighting it out with McCarthy for the no 1 shirt. No harm in having competition in that position.

    My point was more that our squad still feels quite bloated if you include any of the other youngsters who now have to be counted...with the added assumption of the 6 highlighted leaving which may not even happen.

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    The point is valid - we absolutely need several departures to have a manageable squad not only financially, but also to be able to actually register them. And that's even before any more signings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    Certainly would expect them to be.

    Amstrong in the hole, Elyounoussi out wide, Vestergaard a starter, only one is maybe Gunn who will be fighting it out with McCarthy for the no 1 shirt. No harm in having competition in that position.

    My point was more that our squad still feels quite bloated if you include any of the other youngsters who now have to be counted...with the added assumption of the 6 highlighted leaving which may not even happen.
    I agree that some have to go, we can all have a guess as to who. One has gone on loan, I suspect another six senior players will go, a free, a loan, and four sells.

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    Do Stephens, Sims, Reed and McQueen count on that list though ?
    Hesketh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    Certainly would expect them to be.

    Amstrong in the hole, Elyounoussi out wide, Vestergaard a starter, only one is maybe Gunn who will be fighting it out with McCarthy for the no 1 shirt. No harm in having competition in that position.

    My point was more that our squad still feels quite bloated if you include any of the other youngsters who now have to be counted...with the added assumption of the 6 highlighted leaving which may not even happen.
    Wouldn't surprise me to see around 6-10 leave on loan or permanently.

    - Forster
    - McQueen or Targett
    - Clasie
    - Reed
    - Boufal
    - Gallagher
    - Seager
    - Barnes

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homegr...Rule_(England) not sure this helps clarify it either

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    I doubt Gunn would be signed if we didn't have expectations that Forster was on his way somewhere.

    You'd also expect Boufal to be on his way. Same with Clasie, just have to agree it with Feyenoord.

    Davis there seems to have been no real concrete reports on, but you can't see him getting near the team

    Then the likes of McQueen, Gallagher, Reed, Targett will be looked at to either be loaned or wanting to move for first team football. Stephens might also join that list.


    The squad has been bloated for a while, it's a left over of the Europa league campaign and the fact that several players on longer contracts have failed to peform so have to have been replaced. Forster and Clasie may be difficult to shift if we have expectations of recouping transfer fees for them instead of just cutting the losses and getting them off the wage bill.

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    1. Alex McCarthy
    2. Cédric Soares
    3. Maya Yoshida
    4. Jordy Clasie
    5. Jack Stephens
    6. Wesley Hoedt
    7. Shane Long
    8. Steven Davis
    9. Mohammed Elyonoussi
    10. Charlie Austin
    11. Stuart Armstrong
    12. Matt Targett
    13. Fraser Forster
    14. Oriol Romeu
    15. Jan Bednarek
    16. James Ward-Prowse
    17. Sam McQueen
    18. Mario Lemina
    19. Sofiane Boufal
    20. Monolo Gabbiadini
    21. Ryan Bertrand
    22. Nathan Redmond
    23. Pierre Højbjerg
    24. Harry Reed
    25. Ryan Seager
    26. Marcus Barnes
    27. Sam Gallagher
    28. Jake Hesketh
    29. Jack Rose
    30. Jake Flannigan

    + 31. Gunn
    32. Vestergaard

    Only 25 man squad allowed, so 7 need to be moved on/not selected


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    Now that Carrillo has gone out on loan, we currently have 30 players who do not qualify as Under 21 and would therefore need to be named in our 25 man squad to play in the PL. Add Gunn and Vestergaard and will need to sell or loan out at least 7 to avoid them sitting around and ineligible to play.

    The 3O players are as set out in the previous post.

    On the basis that neither Barnes nor Seager made the plane to China, they would seem not to be in Hughes’ plans for this season (Seager set for a loan in Holland I think I read). Clasie is set to go back to Holland. We are clearly looking to offload Boufal. It is difficult to see us bringing Gunn in if we didn’t think we could loan or sell Forster. That’s 5 of the 7. Flannigan is on a monthly contract so could be released or may be a prime candidate for a loan. Perhaps McQueen or Targett also out on loan? Davis is also rumoured to be on his way - didn’t get any game time in China. Reed is another widely tipped for a move out but will depend on Hughes’ view having seen him in China.

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    Top work, harriesss & Over land and sea.

    Expecting a revolving door when the players arrive back. (Especially if we were to add any players AFTER Gunn & Vestergaard arrive).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Over land and sea View Post
    Now that Carrillo has gone out on loan, we currently have 30 players who do not qualify as Under 21 and would therefore need to be named in our 25 man squad to play in the PL. Add Gunn and Vestergaard and will need to sell or loan out at least 7 to avoid them sitting around and ineligible to play.

    The 3O players are as set out in the previous post.

    On the basis that neither Barnes nor Seager made the plane to China, they would seem not to be in Hughes’ plans for this season (Seager set for a loan in Holland I think I read). Clasie is set to go back to Holland. We are clearly looking to offload Boufal. It is difficult to see us bringing Gunn in if we didn’t think we could loan or sell Forster. That’s 5 of the 7. Flannigan is on a monthly contract so could be released or may be a prime candidate for a loan. Perhaps McQueen or Targett also out on loan? Davis is also rumoured to be on his way - didn’t get any game time in China. Reed is another widely tipped for a move out but will depend on Hughes’ view having seen him in China.
    I can see both Davis and Long leaving - for Rangers and Reading maybe. And I am half expecting Yoshida to head back to Japan for his final payday.

    I am also expecting one or both of Cedric and Bertrand to leave - which is I think why we are looking for another rightback to replace Cedric. Although we could end up playing Stephens, Reed or Valery there next season.

    If we play 3 at the back and wingbacks or wide midfielders, with two central midfielders and 2 inside forwards JWP or Reed could both do a job out on the right as a wide midfielder.

    I have a feeling we will see more ins and outs than most people think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel View Post
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    I am also expecting one or both of Cedric and Bertrand to leave - which is I think why we are looking for another rightback to replace Cedric. Although we could end up playing Stephens, Reed or Valery there next season.
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    There have been virtually no transfer rumours for either. Barring some dramatic change I fully expect them to both be here next season, I believe we are looking for a right back because Pied left and there is no back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harriesss View Post
    1. Alex McCarthy
    2. Cédric Soares
    3. Maya Yoshida
    4. Jordy Clasie
    5. Jack Stephens
    6. Wesley Hoedt
    7. Shane Long
    8. Steven Davis
    9. Mohammed Elyonoussi
    10. Charlie Austin
    11. Stuart Armstrong
    12. Matt Targett
    13. Fraser Forster
    14. Oriol Romeu
    15. Jan Bednarek
    16. James Ward-Prowse
    17. Sam McQueen
    18. Mario Lemina
    19. Sofiane Boufal
    20. Monolo Gabbiadini
    21. Ryan Bertrand
    22. Nathan Redmond
    23. Pierre Højbjerg
    24. Harry Reed
    25. Ryan Seager
    26. Marcus Barnes
    27. Sam Gallagher
    28. Jake Hesketh
    29. Jack Rose
    30. Jake Flannigan

    + 31. Gunn
    32. Vestergaard

    Only 25 man squad allowed, so 7 need to be moved on/not selected


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    Clasie, Targett/McQueen, Boufal, Forster, Seager, Barnes and Flannigan I reckon will be out either sold or on loan - could probably add Hesketh to that as well, surely needs a loan somewhere for some gametime if he wants to develop?

    Other possibilities to go would be Davis, Gallagher/Long, one of the CB's - possibly Reed too, unless they decide he would be adequate RB/RWB cover after his spell there at Norwich.

    So you could make a case for 12 possible departures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tajjuk View Post
    There have been virtually no transfer rumours for either. Barring some dramatic change I fully expect them to both be here next season, I believe we are looking for a right back because Pied left and there is no back up.
    I reckon it will be that Croatian lad from the Danish team - Karlo Bartolec - that we replace Pied with. Agreed on Bertrand and Cedric. I think that Bertrand’s time for leaving has been and gone as can’t see any of the top 6 being in need of a new LB.

    Cedric just hasn’t been good enough, though I could see him leaving next summer when he has a year left on his contract (assuming he doesn’t sign a new one).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    How many players do we currently have who will have to be counted in the 25 man squad?

    Currently including Vestergaard and Gunn...

    GK's: McCarthy Gunn Forster Rose
    DF's: Hoedt Stephens Vestergaard Yoshida Bednarek Targett Bertrand McQueen Cedric
    MF's: Lemina Romeu Hojbjerg Reed Davis Armstrong JWP Clasie
    AM's: Redmond Elyounassi Boufal Sims
    ST's: Austin Gabbiadini Long Gallagher

    Thats 28 players...assuming we find a home for the ones in bold that leaves us with 23 players. Also doesn't include the "youngsters" that now have to be counted in the squad (not sure how many of these there are now?)

    Still probably a wide man and a striker away from the squad as of August too...
    Only players 21 and over are counted in the 25 man squad

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    Quote Originally Posted by harriesss View Post
    1. Alex McCarthy
    2. Cédric Soares
    3. Maya Yoshida
    4. Jordy Clasie
    5. Jack Stephens
    6. Wesley Hoedt
    7. Shane Long
    8. Steven Davis
    9. Mohammed Elyonoussi
    10. Charlie Austin
    11. Stuart Armstrong
    12. Matt Targett
    13. Fraser Forster
    14. Oriol Romeu
    15. Jan Bednarek
    16. James Ward-Prowse
    17. Sam McQueen
    18. Mario Lemina
    19. Sofiane Boufal
    20. Monolo Gabbiadini
    21. Ryan Bertrand
    22. Nathan Redmond
    23. Pierre Højbjerg
    24. Harry Reed
    25. Ryan Seager
    26. Marcus Barnes
    27. Sam Gallagher
    28. Jake Hesketh
    29. Jack Rose
    30. Jake Flannigan

    + 31. Gunn
    32. Vestergaard

    Only 25 man squad allowed, so 7 need to be moved on/not selected


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    How many of these are home grown or under 21. I doubt we will be over 25 players

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    Quote Originally Posted by harriesss View Post
    1. Alex McCarthy
    2. Cédric Soares
    3. Maya Yoshida
    4. Jordy Clasie
    5. Jack Stephens
    6. Wesley Hoedt
    7. Shane Long
    8. Steven Davis
    9. Mohammed Elyonoussi
    10. Charlie Austin
    11. Stuart Armstrong
    12. Matt Targett
    13. Fraser Forster
    14. Oriol Romeu
    15. Jan Bednarek
    16. James Ward-Prowse
    17. Sam McQueen
    18. Mario Lemina
    19. Sofiane Boufal
    20. Monolo Gabbiadini
    21. Ryan Bertrand
    22. Nathan Redmond
    23. Pierre Højbjerg
    24. Harry Reed
    25. Ryan Seager
    26. Marcus Barnes
    27. Sam Gallagher
    28. Jake Hesketh
    29. Jack Rose
    30. Jake Flannigan

    + 31. Gunn
    32. Vestergaard

    Only 25 man squad allowed, so 7 need to be moved on/not selected


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    Simssssss

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattyd View Post
    How many of these are home grown or under 21. I doubt we will be over 25 players
    All the named players are over 21. Mccarthy, Stephens, long, Davis, Austin, Targett, Forster, Romeu, ward-prowse, McQueen, Bertrand, redmond, Reed, Seager, Barnes, Gallagher, hesketh, Rose, Flannigan and Gunn the Home grown players


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    Quote Originally Posted by LeG View Post
    Simssssss
    Sims is under 21 so doesn’t have to be named.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mattyd View Post
    Only players 21 and over are counted in the 25 man squad
    Think all of the ones I suggested are over 21, and they’ll be others I don’t have on my list which will need to be counted or moved on who I have missed, I.e. Barnes, Flannigan, etc


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    Number Name Homegrown U21 In Squad Y/N
    1 McCarthy HG Y
    2 Cedric Y
    3 Yoshida Y
    4 Clasie ?
    5 Stephens HG Y
    6 Hoedt Y
    7 Long HG Y
    8 Davis HG Y
    10 Austin HG Y
    11 Elyounoussi Y
    14 Romeu Y
    16 Ward-Prowse HG Y
    17 Armstrong Y
    18 Lemina Y
    19 Boufal Y
    20 Gabbiadini Y
    21 Bertrand HG Y
    22 Redmond HG Y
    23 Højbjerg Y
    25 Reed HG Y
    27 Gallagher HG Y
    32 Jones HG U21 N
    33 Targett HG Y
    34 Flannigan HG ?
    35 Bednarek Y
    38 McQueen HG Y
    39 Sims HG U21 N
    42 Hesketh HG Y
    43 Valery HG U21 N
    44 Forster HG ?
    - Gunn HG Y

    That's 25 players in the squad (I might have missed a few U21 players but since they don't count against the 25 that doesn't really matter). It all works out as long as we get rid of Forster and Clasie, who both are rumoured to be on their way. Any additional players coming in means we have to get rid of more players. I guess Boufal (also rumoured to be on his way) and Hesketh (needs to go out on loan) would be decent candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Martini View Post
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    That's 25 players in the squad (I might have missed a few U21 players but since they don't count against the 25 that doesn't really matter). It all works out as long as we get rid of Forster and Clasie, who both are rumoured to be on their way. Any additional players coming in means we have to get rid of more players. I guess Boufal (also rumoured to be on his way) and Hesketh (needs to go out on loan) would be decent candidates.
    Very clear. Rose, Barnes and Seager are also all home grown players over 21.

    You are right about the U21 - but if you were to add the main ones that would probably include Lewis, Vokins and Slattery (all went to China) and Obafemi on the basis he played for the first team last season. I'm not sure whether Valery (who's French) qualifies as home grown or not but it's not relevant at this stage as he's under 21 and there is no distinction in the U21 list between home grown and not.

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    Maybe loans for the players over 21 ans who have not played often would be good. I would also get rid of over 21 players who are not up to it such as Gallagher and Long. We know two or three others will move on. So there is no problem.

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    After the close seasons when players left who we really wanted to keep, it’s odd this year that we are speculating about candidates to sell or loan out. For once, the Outs are almost as interesting as the Ins.

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    Number Name Homegrown U21 In Squad Y/N
    1 McCarthy HG Y
    2 Cedric Y
    3 Yoshida Y
    4 Clasie N
    5 Stephens HG Y
    6 Hoedt Y
    7 Long HG Y
    8 Davis HG Y
    10 Austin HG Y
    11 Elyounoussi Y
    14 Romeu Y
    16 Ward-Prowse HG Y
    17 Armstrong Y
    18 Lemina Y
    19 Boufal Y
    20 Gabbiadini Y
    21 Bertrand HG Y
    22 Redmond HG Y
    23 Højbjerg Y
    25 Reed HG Y
    27 Gallagher HG Y
    32 Jones HG U21 N
    33 Targett HG Y
    34 Flannigan HG N
    35 Bednarek Y
    38 McQueen HG Y
    39 Sims HG U21 N
    42 Hesketh HG N
    43 Valery HG U21 N
    44 Forster HG N
    - Gunn HG Y
    - Vestergaard Y
    - Rose HG N
    - Seager HG N
    - Barnes HG N

    As I said in my previous post it only works if Forster and Clasie leave and if additional players leave if/when new players arrive. With Vestergaard coming in I guess Hesketh is the one losing out. Currently we have 7 non-U21 players too much (Clasie, Forster, Flannigan, Hesketh, Rose, Seager & Barnes), I expect there to be a few outgoings sooner rather then later.

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    Is there a loan window this year for league sides, or do all loans have to be done by the end of the transfer window?

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