Legod Third Coming Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Of late, there has been far too much personal abuse on this forum. And it's not on. We could ALL take a deep breath a bit more often and think twice before posting - and he who is without sin is not throwing any stones from the Third Coming household by the way!! But times are looking far, far more positive than they have since the end of 2003. That's six years of pain fellas. It's long enough. Gentle ribbing - fine. Winding-up even is ok as long as everyone participates fairly and does not indulge in personal abuse. I don't want this forum to HAVE to be moderated. In the same way I don't want to HAVE to have my community policed. We are all adult enough to police ourselves and recognise and apologise when we have gone too far. So can we all call it quits? And let's debate the respective merits of players, managers, chairmen and even fans, in good humour? Because of all things this club has given me over the years, laughter is by far the most infectious and welcomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionhotel Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 I agree with that 100%. I don't post that often but have witnessed the vitriol of some posters and admit that it goes way beyond the bounds sometimes. If these people were having the same discussion face to face, in a pub for example, would they be brave (or stupid) enough to be so confrontational? I don't think so! Brain in gear should be the maxim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 My theory is that name-calling and personal abuse are more likely among fans who do not go to matches. Their reliance on the forum means that the relationship with supporters becomes more and more abstract, neglecting that we're all in this together. Instead forums become what they're most notorious for - places where you can say what the f uck you like without the normal accountabilities of face-to-face contact and posturing and point-scoring exercises where people boast how big their d icks are and how far they can hit a golf ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 My theory is that name-calling and personal abuse are more likely among fans who do not go to matches. Their reliance on the forum means that the relationship with supporters becomes more and more abstract, neglecting that we're all in this together. Instead forums become what they're most notorious for - places where you can say what the f uck you like without the normal accountabilities of face-to-face contact and posturing and point-scoring exercises where people boast how big their d icks are and how far they can hit a golf ball. my d*ck is massive, I hit a golf ball miles AND I go to games ;-) HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Forums are forums and they all suffer from wind-up merchants and trolls as well as cyber warriors battling away from behind their keyboards. We have one or two that even if we were top of the Prem and winning everything would still come up with their attention seeking 'oh-so-controversial' threads and posts. Regardless of that we are on the up and there is no doubt about that, it's been a while coming but let's enjoy the ride. COYR \\:D/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 my d*ck is massive, I hit a golf ball miles AND I go to games ;-) HTH Is this the 2nd thread started in your honour? congrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mao Cap Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 There's half a dozen posters who have long been far too concerned with getting one up on each other on an internet forum. I think it just seems like more because of their near-constant posting. It's annoying when decent threads get turned into a stupid back-and-forth vendetta, but it's a very small number indeed who go in for that tedious sh*te. It's certainly nothing like it was when Lowe was still chairman, and everything anyone said (no matter how innocuous) was "typical Lowe luvvie", "typical anti-Lowe sheep", and so on. Despite being in the 3rd Division the fanbase is a lot happier and optimistic than it's been in years, and the board has improved to reflect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Of late, there has been far too much personal abuse on this forum. And it's not on. We could ALL take a deep breath a bit more often and think twice before posting - and he who is without sin is not throwing any stones from the Third Coming household by the way!! But times are looking far, far more positive than they have since the end of 2003. That's six years of pain fellas. It's long enough. Gentle ribbing - fine. Winding-up even is ok as long as everyone participates fairly and does not indulge in personal abuse. I don't want this forum to HAVE to be moderated. In the same way I don't want to HAVE to have my community policed. We are all adult enough to police ourselves and recognise and apologise when we have gone too far. So can we all call it quits? And let's debate the respective merits of players, managers, chairmen and even fans, in good humour? Because of all things this club has given me over the years, laughter is by far the most infectious and welcomed. And thus endeth the sermon for today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 If the moderators did their jobs properly most of the invective could be removed at source but they aren't and as a result very little if any personal abuse is discarded. I am not suggesting for one moment that it is an easy job being a mod, those elected need to be diligent, fair-minded and industrious. I wouldn't want the job at any cost so assume that those who are mods actively seek to be so. In which case DO the job properly or not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 The problem is you got a bunch of people who lets face it enjoy winding people up. They will choose the un-popular side to an argument simply to create tension which will eventually lead to the stuff we see. What ****es me off is they use that whole "im allowed my opinion" thing far too much when really they know they are just saying it to cause problems. Most threads end up going the same way with the thread being about a poster defending his controversial view. I just don't get how some people cannot be happy. After the crap we have seen in the past few years, from the top all the way to the bottom how anyone cannot be delighted to see the passion, the pride, the quality that the club is now showing is just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 If the moderators did their jobs properly most of the invective could be removed at source but they aren't and as a result very little if any personal abuse is discarded. I am not suggesting for one moment that it is an easy job being a mod, those elected need to be diligent, fair-minded and industrious. I wouldn't want the job at any cost so assume that those who are mods actively seek to be so. In which case DO the job properly or not at all. I personally dont care if the rules are tight, or its completely open season and everyone is fair game, so long as the rules are applied consistently, and certain individuals dont appear to be legitimate targets with cross-hairs painted on their forehead and who get banned immediately they retaliate. I've been banned a couple of times for abuse and what I regard as pretty low-level name calling, however yesterday someone made some grotesque homophobic comments worthy of the equivalent of a "straight red" yet got away with a warning. I would not want to spend my spare time sorting petty squabbles out amongst the rabble that come on here, so I respect the mods for the difficult job they do. Balance, fairness and objectivity must be fairly difficult on here sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 The problem is you got a bunch of people who lets face it enjoy winding people up. They will choose the un-popular side to an argument simply to create tension which will eventually lead to the stuff we see. What ****es me off is they use that whole "im allowed my opinion" thing far too much when really they know they are just saying it to cause problems. Most threads end up going the same way with the thread being about a poster defending his controversial view. What arrogant hubris. As one of those who this comment is probably directed at, how dare you judge whether my comments are my real opinion or not. I just don't get how some people cannot be happy. After the crap we have seen in the past few years, from the top all the way to the bottom how anyone cannot be delighted to see the passion, the pride, the quality that the club is now showing is just wrong. I agree completely. I have a warm fuzzy feeling growing with each passing game, but I dont see why that prevents me from hoping the club is taking measures to maintain that progress, such as getting a signature from Trotman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Forums are always going to attract saddos who want to pick quarrels. It's up to each forum , which is a club, to decide the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 I used to spend my work lunch breaks reading the saints forum (can't even remember what it was called back then, was about 2002 / 2003 and I think Keith was running it, before it all went a bit wrong for him!), anyway I digress.... On a daily basis I used to laugh loudly so much at some of the posting and banter that my colleagues used to make me read out what I was laughing at. The old forum had a totally different feel to it than more recent incarnations. It really did seem to be just a bit of light-hearted fun, even on the main board, whilst people disagreed with each other they still respected each others opinions. It’s a shame really, back then you didn’t mind saying something as you knew that at worst you’d just get mocked, these days I think a lot of people are put off posting as it just leads to insults from the same core group of attention seeking posters. The lack of other people contributing to the forum then leads to that core group of posters becoming the main contributors to the forum over-all, which has at times made it repetitive and tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 The problem I had, Alpine, was there are a million positive things to dwell on right now, everything is going well, yet once again you chose to dwell on something negative. And in this case, it was something that hasn't happened yet! You would get a lot loss grief from me if you sounded happy once in a while. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 You would get a lot loss grief from me if you sounded happy once in a while. I think we should simply let the Mods do their jobs and if someones conduct is such that the forum rules are broken then they can deal with it accordingly, I care not for other posters demeanour, I think some take the whole thing too seriously, it is a forum and in the main nothing said on here can hurt you in the real world nor should you be absolutely offended by a posters opinion, some need to stop being so precious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Of late, there has been far too much personal abuse on this forum. And it's not on. We could ALL take a deep breath a bit more often and think twice before posting - and he who is without sin is not throwing any stones from the Third Coming household by the way!! But times are looking far, far more positive than they have since the end of 2003. That's six years of pain fellas. It's long enough. Gentle ribbing - fine. Winding-up even is ok as long as everyone participates fairly and does not indulge in personal abuse. I don't want this forum to HAVE to be moderated. In the same way I don't want to HAVE to have my community policed. We are all adult enough to police ourselves and recognise and apologise when we have gone too far. So can we all call it quits? And let's debate the respective merits of players, managers, chairmen and even fans, in good humour? Because of all things this club has given me over the years, laughter is by far the most infectious and welcomed. I agree with most of what you say, apart from the bit I have highlighted. The problem is that there is inevitably an element who are too childish to accept that they might be wrong, or who cannot draw back from somebody else's baiting. Some can't take their arguments being taken apart by reasoned arguments and resort to petty name-calling, thus proving that they have lost the argument. Some have just got to gnaw on the bone ad-nauseum because it is their own private vendetta. I'm not above these failings myself occasionally. With time, the club having been tranformed for the better and an upward trend in our fortunes having developed, things will begin to settle down. But I for one, while relishing our improved fortunes, can see that as a result the forum is going to get more boring, in much the same way that a newspaper would be dull if they had to report only good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 What arrogant hubris. As one of those who this comment is probably directed at, how dare you judge whether my comments are my real opinion or not. I agree completely. I have a warm fuzzy feeling growing with each passing game, but I dont see why that prevents me from hoping the club is taking measures to maintain that progress, such as getting a signature from Trotman. Oh do give over Alpine for christ sake.... I was not aiming it at you or anyone just in general. Some people choose the opposite side of an argument simply to be controversial. They enjoy the reaction it causes rather then the content. That is called trolling. If someone says Lawrie is our best manager, someone will say he is not, if someone says Lowe was crap, someone will say he was great etc etc. Some will attack people who are popular amongst the cities community while defending those who are not popular. Some of these people have legit arguments to put forward to why they think that. Some don't. As i said, we have too many people who try to be controversial thus creating the content we see on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 People take this forum far too seriously. Just relax guys! I have experienced 3 forum bans in my time (comparable with jail time) it’s not nice and you appreciate what you have when it’s taken away. Granted it took me 3 bans to realise this – my up/downs are all documented in my autobiography (to be released for xmas) from a wise head (mine) just chillax! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 One Thread, One Pointless Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 People take this forum far too seriously. Just relax guys! I have experienced 3 forum bans in my time (comparable with jail time) it’s not nice and you appreciate what you have when it’s taken away. Granted it took me 3 bans to realise this – my up/downs are all documented in my autobiography (to be released for xmas) from a wise head (mine) just chillax! Will there be match fixing revelations to spice up the sales, or does your wise head preclude such underhand dealings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Will there be match fixing revelations to spice up the sales, or does your wise head preclude such underhand dealings? My battle with Alpine, Delldays and WindmillArms during the Burley era will take up 80% of the book, remaining chapters include NickH was my only friend and "my 3 bans" and why I dont blame the mods. One for the family market - I will include pictures of myself to tap into the girl/women market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Gentle ribbing - fine. Is this ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 Is this ok? You picture is blocked by my company server. I assume this is a condom or dildo joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 You picture is blocked by my company server. I assume this is a condom or dildo joke. It is a condom joke. Harsh servers Alpine. Can you see this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 For this forum to prosper we probably need the club to struggle perversely - just imagine how dull it would be on here if we won every game from now until next May and had automatic promotion wrapped up my April . :smt009 I've been following this club long enough to know SFC wouldn't do that to us . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 For this forum to prosper we probably need the club to struggle perversely - just imagine how dull it would be on here if we won every game from now until next May and had automatic promotion wrapped up my April . :smt009 I've been following this club long enough to know SFC wouldn't do that to us . I would quite happily take that dullness!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 For this forum to prosper we probably need the club to struggle perversely - just imagine how dull it would be on here if we won every game from now until next May and had automatic promotion wrapped up my April . :smt009 I've been following this club long enough to know SFC wouldn't do that to us . Many of us share the same experience over many years and are equally reticent to believe it possible. But although unlikely, we can actually believe that it could happen, whereas we have not been able to even harbour those optimistic thoughts since probably the McMenemy days, have we? But I agree that as things are definitely showing signs that we are on the up and there are really no realistic grounds for division, it is becoming increasingly more dull on here as a result. That is why the "freds" that rake over the coals a little are attracting more interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 19 October, 2009 Share Posted 19 October, 2009 (edited) Many of us share the same experience over many years and are equally reticent to believe it possible. But although unlikely, we can actually believe that it could happen, whereas we have not been able to even harbour those optimistic thoughts since probably the McMenemy days, have we? But I agree that as things are definitely showing signs that we are on the up and there are really no realistic grounds for division, it is becoming increasingly more dull on here as a result. That is why the "freds" that rake over the coals a little are attracting more interest. Maybe it is our time to shine Wes , heaven knows we've all suffered long enough . Skeptical as I am I can assure anyone reading this that a period of prolonged success leading to promotion this season would see my joy utterly overwhelm any sense of embarrassment for my failure to predict it . Secretly I'm starting to dream that the play-offs might just be possible this season - but don't tell NickG he'll never let me forget it Edited 19 October, 2009 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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