TijuanaTim Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 1. Getting our first points. 2. Getting our first win 3. Getting out of the negative 4. Getting off the bottom 5. Getting out of the relegation zone 6. Getting into the top half But my favourite so far Getting within SEVEN points of 'that special place which we won't mention' and still 23 chance of improvement!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 1. Getting our first points. 2. Getting our first win 3. Getting out of the negative 4. Getting off the bottom 5. Getting out of the relegation zone 6. Getting into the top half But my favourite so far Getting within SEVEN points of 'that special place which we won't mention' and still 23 chance of improvement!! 7. Getting to a Cup Final! (even if it is only a southern area regional) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 definitely better stages than last seasons rely solely on youngsters who are no good go into relegation zone go into admin get relegated this season certainly creates optimism for everyone. Today is a big game, lets hope its going to help the stages get better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 definitely better stages than last seasons rely solely on youngsters who are no good go into relegation zone go into admin get relegated this season certainly creates optimism for everyone. Today is a big game, lets hope its going to help the stages get better Which just shows that football today is based primarily on Money Last season we had none this season we have lots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Which just shows that football today is based primarily on Money Last season we had none this season we have lots You're point being? Of course you need some money for a club to have any chance of success but we've hardly been chucking the stuff around have we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 You're point being? Of course you need some money for a club to have any chance of success but we've hardly been chucking the stuff around have we? For league 1... We have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1 Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Which just shows that football today is based primarily on Money Last season we had none this season we have lots I personally don't agree. What have we actually spent so far in terms of hard cash? Yes we bought Lambert etc but we would still be climbing the table relying on other players goals. In all fairness I think the main turnaround has come from confidence that we can turn things around, the hard work of AP and NC and the security from ML, this along with more fans coming through the gates with a positive attitude (I don't think most appreciate how the positive or negative attitude of the fans can affect the mind of the players) have all contributed. In previous years and including last year the players would have rolled over faced with a fight, but this team has made some great fightbacks and the belief that we will not give in and CAN and will fight to the end is something that has spread through the whole club. Money cannot buy that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 For league 1... We have Exactly DD Last season we had to field a team of youngsters and get in a lowly paid manager and service debt . This season we have brought in older players and a good management team and have no debt to service so we will be getting in more players in January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 I personally don't agree. What have we actually spent so far in terms of hard cash? Yes we bought Lambert etc but we would still be climbing the table relying on other players goals. In all fairness I think the main turnaround has come from confidence that we can turn things around, the hard work of AP and NC and the security from ML, this along with more fans coming through the gates with a positive attitude (I don't think most appreciate how the positive or negative attitude of the fans can affect the mind of the players) have all contributed. In previous years and including last year the players would have rolled over faced with a fight, but this team has made some great fightbacks and the belief that we will not give in and CAN and will fight to the end is something that has spread through the whole club. Money cannot buy that! So you do agree that financial stability is the main reason for success in football I am not saying it is the only reason but the main one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Which just shows that football today is based primarily on Money Last season we had none this season we have lots Last season we had a divisive chairman and board who alienated a good many of our support. This season we don't. Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 You're point being? Of course you need some money for a club to have any chance of success but we've hardly been chucking the stuff around have we? For league 1... We have We have been spending but prudently enough. That itself is a declaration of intent with much aforethought. ML & NC certainly do seem to have their investment at heart and we lot, the fans, will slowly and surely reap the rewards for their hard work. Three points today would be brilliant and a signal to the rest of those above us that the Saints are marching on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1 Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 No, not the main reason. Yes it has helped, but the attitude of the staff and supporters has IMO played a bigger part in this. We now have a PROPER manager who has put belief in the team. Whether of not AP could have done this with last years team will never be known, but look at the difference in Lallana this year. He has gone from dire to one of the stars of the team. As well as bringing in a couple of new faces that we have paid for, you cannot ignore how some already here have turned themselves around. IMO the biggest factor of change has come from people like AP, Lallana being the player we thought he could be etc, although financial stability will always help. But there is a difference in commenting between stability, and throwing around cash, which I do not believe we have done to a massive degree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 No, not the main reason. Yes it has helped, but the attitude of the staff and supporters has IMO played a bigger part in this. We now have a PROPER manager who has put belief in the team. Whether of not AP could have done this with last years team will never be known, but look at the difference in Lallana this year. He has gone from dire to one of the stars of the team. As well as bringing in a couple of new faces that we have paid for, you cannot ignore how some already here have turned themselves around. IMO the biggest factor of change has come from people like AP, Lallana being the player we thought he could be etc, although financial stability will always help. But there is a difference in commenting between stability, and throwing around cash, which I do not believe we have done to a massive degree I agree with what you are saying but because we have a Billionaire owner and no debt we expect to succeed it probably would not be the same if the owner was not very rich and we had to pay each year for the stadium. Although originally my point was that last season we had no money and that was the main reason for our relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 No, not the main reason. Yes it has helped, but the attitude of the staff and supporters has IMO played a bigger part in this. We now have a PROPER manager who has put belief in the team. Whether of not AP could have done this with last years team will never be known, but look at the difference in Lallana this year. He has gone from dire to one of the stars of the team. As well as bringing in a couple of new faces that we have paid for, you cannot ignore how some already here have turned themselves around. IMO the biggest factor of change has come from people like AP, Lallana being the player we thought he could be etc, although financial stability will always help. But there is a difference in commenting between stability, and throwing around cash, which I do not believe we have done to a massive degree Devil's advocate here - without the money would we have been able to get a 'proper' manager in the first place ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Exactly DD Last season we had to field a team of youngsters and get in a lowly paid manager and service debt . No, last season we had a dickhead of a Chairman who thought the only way was to appoint inexperienced foreign managers who had no idea how to work with young players, no idea about the English football league and no idea what it took to win games consistently. Playing youngsters was an option that was chosen, but was not the only option. The money problems became largely a consequence of this short-sighted pig-headed attitude. There are plenty of clubs around with less resource than we had who understand how to work the system getting in players on the cheap, and utilising the talents of young English managers who know the game inside out. Thank goodness the stench of last season is now long past and the fresh attitiudes of our new owners are showing what can be done without ridiculous spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Devil's advocate here - without the money would we have been able to get a 'proper' manager in the first place ??? Well indeed... AP has gone on record saying he only agreed to come to a L1 club because of the financial resources the club now has. Anyone who thinks our improvement is more down to team spirit, a feel good factor and a united fan base is having a laugh! Football is all about money now. It's why Wigan is in the Prem and Leeds are in L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 No, last season we had a dickhead of a Chairman who thought the only way was to appoint inexperienced foreign managers who had no idea how to work with young players, no idea about the English football league and no idea what it took to win games consistently. Playing youngsters was an option that was chosen, but was not the only option. The money problems became largely a consequence of this short-sighted pig-headed attitude. There are plenty of clubs around with less resource than we had who understand how to work the system getting in players on the cheap, and utilising the talents of young English managers who know the game inside out. Thank goodness the stench of last season is now long past and the fresh attitiudes of our new owners are showing what can be done without ridiculous spending. Do you believe in fairies too? Without money SFC was bound to fail with ML/NC and their money SFC will no doubt succeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Devil's advocate here - without the money would we have been able to get a 'proper' manager in the first place ??? I have a foot in both camps of this argument but we certainly couldn't of afforded AP or persuaded him to come on last season's budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 I have a foot in both camps of this argument but we certainly couldn't of afforded AP or persuaded him to come on last season's budget. Surely you cant have a foot in both camps You either disagree or agree that money is the main reason for success in football . Your point regarding AP is very pertinent without money Pardew would never have to come to SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Exactly DD Last season we had to field a team of youngsters and get in a lowly paid manager and service debt . This season we have brought in older players and a good management team and have no debt to service so we will be getting in more players in January You don't half talk some rot sometimes, John. It makes me inclined to believe that you still hold some sort of candle for the old regime. We did not have to play the youngsters to the degree that we did last season at all. Neither did we have to get in a lowly paid manager. We had a perfectly decent manager here already in Nigel Pearson. He managad to keep us up the season before and unless you missed it, has done great things at Leicester, getting them promoted from this division and in a good position this season in the Fizzy Pop league. Playing the kids wasn't through necessity; it was a massive gamble and incredibly bad judgement by our former Chairman, whose name escapes me. You speak as if the youngsters were the only option, when anybody else with any knowledge of football and any common sense was calling for a blend of youth and experience. Too many had had enough shortly after the mad experiment stuttered and stalled after the first few games and in any event many were too alienated by the former regime and made the decision to vote with their feet and stay away from St. Mary's until they were gone. The proof of that is the much increased attendance numbers this season under thenew regime, even when the expenditure on new players has been minimal. Numbers through the turnstiles at this level would have been enough to have sustained the infrastructure of the club as it stood last season. Why are we debating this anyway? Are there any elements who hanker after the former regime as some golden age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Surely you cant have a foot in both camps You either disagree or agree that money is the main reason for success in football . Your point regarding AP is very pertinent without money Pardew would never have to come to SFC Money obviously has a bearing but I'm convinced we could have done a hell of a lot better last season with the squad we had, with a half decent manager. The way we went accelerated administration IMO because it caused the alarming fall in attendances and therefore cashflow problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 (edited) You don't half talk some rot sometimes, John. It makes me inclined to believe that you still hold some sort of candle for the old regime. We did not have to play the youngsters to the degree that we did last season at all. Neither did we have to get in a lowly paid manager. We had a perfectly decent manager here already in Nigel Pearson. He managad to keep us up the season before and unless you missed it, has done great things at Leicester, getting them promoted from this division and in a good position this season in the Fizzy Pop league. Playing the kids wasn't through necessity; it was a massive gamble and incredibly bad judgement by our former Chairman, whose name escapes me. You speak as if the youngsters were the only option, when anybody else with any knowledge of football and any common sense was calling for a blend of youth and experience. Too many had had enough shortly after the mad experiment stuttered and stalled after the first few games and in any event many were too alienated by the former regime and made the decision to vote with their feet and stay away from St. Mary's until they were gone. The proof of that is the much increased attendance numbers this season under thenew regime, even when the expenditure on new players has been minimal. Numbers through the turnstiles at this level would have been enough to have sustained the infrastructure of the club as it stood last season. Why are we debating this anyway? Are there any elements who hanker after the former regime as some golden age? Like you I am happy where we are today because we have financial stability and will continue to move forward. It is because we have a rich owner that things are looking good surely that is not rot. Edited 28 December, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Money obviously has a bearing but I'm convinced we could have done a hell of a lot better last season with the squad we had, with a half decent manager. The way we went accelerated administration IMO because it caused the alarming fall in attendances and therefore cashflow problems. You are possibly right but that is not the point I am making. The reason we will prosper in the future is because we have no financial worries and are not being run by the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 You don't half talk some rot sometimes, John. Oh, Wes Tender doesn't agree with someone's point of view so he gets all aggressive and insulting........what a surprise, he's never done that before. Why are we debating this anyway? Are there any elements who hanker after the former regime as some golden age? Yes, why are we debating things? Why can't we all just agree that Wes Tender is right? Come on everyone, stop being foolish and let's just all agree with Wes. After all, he knows everything. He is so confident in his own abilities that he can guarantee there is no God and therefore he must know everything about football as well. Grow up Wes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Like you I am happy where we are today because we have financial stability and will continue to move forward. It is because we have a rich owner that things are looking good surely that is not rot. But going on about Lowe surely is he has gone One only has to look at the historical perspective to realise that although money is a factor, it is not necessariliy outweighed by having a good manager and players who are capable together of winning games. By your premise, we have an owner quite a bit wealthier than the people who own Liverpool and Manchester, so presumably the logical extension of that argument would be that we will end up above both of them given time. We were doing quite well in the Premiership for many years, despite limited finances. When we failed to keep the better managers and players and replaced them with poorer personnel, our decline began and we have spiralled downwards until our administration. At any stage before we hit terminal meltdown, it was possible to have halted the decline and turned it around with an astute manager and the right players, but the mad experiment was the equivalent of staking everything on one final throw of the dice. Although we have an owner of incredible personal wealth, it isn't as if money is being thrown at us willy-nilly. Expenditure on us is at a level that many clubs could afford provided that they had our level of support through the turnstiles. That has come about because the old regime has gone and we have a decent manager and decent players playing attractive football at a ticket price that gives value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1 Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 The point I was trying to make is we had money before and dropped like a stone and I feel even when we had none we could have done better. Now we do have some, but it takes more than just money to do well and our position is not just down to money. This is not just about football this is life in general. We could have all the money in the world, but if people are making a pigs ear of things and the fans are not behind the team with a s**t manager and divided board we would still not do well. Some clubs can short term buy success like our friends down the road, but there is a difference betwenn the money making the difference and the "package" being the difference. IMO we have the package, and are not just buying our way up the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Oh, Wes Tender doesn't agree with someone's point of view so he gets all aggressive and insulting........what a surprise, he's never done that before. Yes, why are we debating things? Why can't we all just agree that Wes Tender is right? Come on everyone, stop being foolish and let's just all agree with Wes. After all, he knows everything. He is so confident in his own abilities that he can guarantee there is no God and therefore he must know everything about football as well. Grow up Wes. Are you a school teacher by any chance, chiding a naughty pupil? Am I to stand in the naughty corner for pointing out that you cannot prove that God exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 28 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Anyway...I still like the steps we're taking, even after an unlucky stumble today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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