New addition to the trainingstaff

[Saint Martini]

http://www.sportwereld.nl/voetbal/clubdossiers/adodenhaag/2617120/Ton_Jenner_in_beeld_bij_Southampton.html

 

Ton Jenner, a Dutch coach who has worked for several top amateurclubs in the Netherlands and now has his own football academy. He's going to get a similar role to the one Rene Meulensteen used to have at Manu.

[Legod Second Coming]

Isn't it incredible that if you read Dutch with an accent you can almost, almost make sense of it!!

[Fan The Flames]

Is he the Dutch Simon Clifford.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Isn't it incredible that if you read Dutch with an accent you can almost, almost make sense of it!!

 

You should hear Steve McLaren give an interview in English but speaking with a fake Dutch accent - both pointless and hilarious

[70's Mike]

Surely Eastleigh or VT have a top coach

[Saint Martini]

Is he the Dutch Simon Clifford.

 

Well, he's actually worked with some top players. Ryan Babel being a prime example and two other very promising players in Dutch football (Daryll Janmaat and Eljero Elia) are also mentioned in the article. Besides that two of his sons (who must have profited from quite a bit of his training) play for professional clubs in the Netherlands. He's also been giving technique training at a club in Slovakia owned by former Dutch international Tschen La Ling.

[um pahars]

Surely Eastleigh or VT have a top coach

 

Theirs are on the shortlist to replace Jan;)

[TopGun]

Babelfish version...

 

Barrel Jenner is on the screen at Southampton. In The Hague the technique coach goes on 1 and 2 October on training period at the club of Jan Poortvliet and mark of Wotte. Jenner, govern in the past active at DHC, ADO The Hague and Tonegido in dig a successful football school, the football academy. At Southampton that ends up in the First Division - the second level in the United Kingdom is Poortvliet coach and has Wotte the control concerning youth training. Jenner will give technique training to two days in United Kingdom. „And which weet what there rolls out, thus Jenner, which have, however, ears to a foreign adventure. The hedge ear which on its football school gave also individual trainings others Ryan Babel, Daryl bluejacket, Eljero Elia, travelled last season frequently back and forth to Slovakia. There he gave technique training at ASH Trencín, the club of Tscheu drawer Ling. ADO The Hague last summer of that club contracted the verdediger Csaba Horváth. Barrel Jenner, father of professor footballers Julian (Vitesse) and Che (AGOVV), looks forward to the training period. „Southampton want give more attention on youth and technique. For me a beautiful occasion something of showing.

[Saint Martini]

Just for clarification, he's coming on a sort of try-out for two days to give technique training. There's no decision yet on him getting a permanent position.

[Legod Second Coming]

Babelfish version...

 

Barrel Jenner is on the screen at Southampton. In The Hague the technique coach goes on 1 and 2 October on training period at the club of Jan Poortvliet and mark of Wotte. Jenner, govern in the past active at DHC, ADO The Hague and Tonegido in dig a successful football school, the football academy. At Southampton that ends up in the First Division - the second level in the United Kingdom is Poortvliet coach and has Wotte the control concerning youth training. Jenner will give technique training to two days in United Kingdom. „And which weet what there rolls out, thus Jenner, which have, however, ears to a foreign adventure. The hedge ear which on its football school gave also individual trainings others Ryan Babel, Daryl bluejacket, Eljero Elia, travelled last season frequently back and forth to Slovakia. There he gave technique training at ASH Trencín, the club of Tscheu drawer Ling. ADO The Hague last summer of that club contracted the verdediger Csaba Horváth. Barrel Jenner, father of professor footballers Julian (Vitesse) and Che (AGOVV), looks forward to the training period. „Southampton want give more attention on youth and technique. For me a beautiful occasion something of showing.

 

 

Yep, that's Steve McLaren...!!!!!

[NickG]

that's how I read it!

[Legod Second Coming]

You should hear Steve McLaren give an interview in English but speaking with a fake Dutch accent - both pointless and hilarious

 

Mate, that was THE internet moment of the year for me. Wet myself!!!

[Toomer]

Theirs are on the shortlist to replace Jan;)

 

True words spoken in jest Steve.

[Saint Martini]

I just love that babelfish translates his first name to Barrel. Should be his nickname if he signs for Saints IMHO.

[dubai_phil]

Just for clarification, he's coming on a sort of try-out for two days to give technique training. There's no decision yet on him getting a permanent position.

 

Well, as long as it is defensive technique training then that sounds well worth the Flybe airfare then

 

Hmm another revolutionary idea. Invite top coaches to come in to the club and give workshops.....

 

Sooooo

 

 

Who else could we bring in and what value could they add? In the futire some of our boys could run........

 

The Ollie Lancashire tackling at pace workshop

The Rudi Skacel school of transfer techniques

The Martin Cranie school of career development

 

.....?

[TopGun]

Well, as long as it is defensive technique training then that sounds well worth the Flybe airfare then

 

Hmm another revolutionary idea. Invite top coaches to come in to the club and give workshops.....

 

Sooooo

 

 

Who else could we bring in and what value could they add? In the futire some of our boys could run........

 

The Ollie Lancashire tackling at pace workshop

The Rudi Skacel school of transfer techniques

The Martin Cranie school of career development

 

.....?

 

The Nathan Dyer School of Light Fingers

The Kelvin Davis School of Fat Fingers

[Master Bates]

How about a takeover workshop?

[bridge too far]

Well, as long as it is defensive technique training then that sounds well worth the Flybe airfare then

 

Hmm another revolutionary idea. Invite top coaches to come in to the club and give workshops.....

 

Sooooo

 

 

Who else could we bring in and what value could they add? In the futire some of our boys could run........

 

The Ollie Lancashire tackling at pace workshop

The Rudi Skacel school of transfer techniques

The Martin Cranie school of career development

 

.....?

 

I know I'll get lynched but......

 

The MLT school of fitness, diet and sprinting?

[LaptopSaint]

The Egil Ostenstad Staying Onside School

 

The David Prutton Diplomatic Relations with the Ref Diploma

 

The Franny Benali Own Goal O Level

 

and

 

The Ricardo Fuller Degree in how to be a complete ****

[ottery st mary]

Surely Eastleigh or VT have a top coach

 

Diaper or Hughes could probaly do a better job.

Sorry forgot, is Cruyff on his way yet.

[Toadhall Saint]

The Mark Dennis school of tackling

[ottery st mary]

The Mark Dennis school of tackling

 

Just mentioned on the Guthrie thread about Mark Dennis and wether Guthrie had seen footage of him or Dennis Hollywood. Mind you he is better than that

petulance.

[70's Mike]

Diaper or Hughes could probaly do a better job.

Sorry forgot, is Cruyff on his way yet.

 

Dave Diaper is a top bloke, went to school with him and played in the same Sunday side as him for many years in mid to late 70's.

[Secret Site Agent]

I hope we sign Daryl Bluejacket.

 

Oi Oi Savaloy

[ottery st mary]

Dave Diaper is a top bloke' date=' went to school with him and played in the same Sunday side as him for many years in mid to late 70's.[/quote']

 

Have seen vt ( worked at the yard many years ago) several times and watched the whole club develop and move up. Had quite a long chat with him recently and always thought him a good football man. A form of Saints total football going on down there at Portsmouth Road, Woolston.

 

Ps I found some very old cuttings re the old Vospers in the FA cup many many years ago and there was a Diaper playing in those days.

Next time up there I will enquire.

 

Anyway how many more coaches required, as I thought Pearson was too expensive?

[ottery st mary]

re new addition to training...

 

70's Mike I just mention it in passing.. I have quite a few photos of my dear old mum (who is now up there in heaven with Osgood and her favourite Charlie Wayman and the old man) who was called down to vospers when Spurs were loosening up before a Saints game. She never ever took the training but served tea to the lads and someone managed to snap her and Klinnsman and the old /young goalkeeper Walker. She had a chat with Klinnsman and in her own way told him how to play the game.

Yes I am sad like that with lots of photos/programmes etc.

The point I am making is that if she had been available she could be one of the new coaches in that she advised Klinnsman how to play football. Does not get better than that.

Edited 16 September, 2008 by ottery st mary

[Petersfield Saint]

The Nathan Dyer School of Light Fingers

The Kelvin Davis School of Fat Fingers

 

[Saint Martini]

Back on topic, I think this could be useful. Manu have been using Meulensteen in similar fashion for a few years and Ferguson seems to be quite content with the results. We'll have to see how good this guy is compared to Meulensteen but Ryan Babel was very happy with his training session when he was still at Ajax.

[ottery st mary]

I have nothing against giving any of these chaps a go but they will all live and die by the results over the next 4-6 games.

Are you sure we are not just picking these names out of the hat and ignoring good young british coaches/fitness experts. Whatever happened to that young Woodward.

I can see the day when each player has his own personal coach. So the wage bill ever tops up.

But hey ho give them there 5 minutes. Where is it all going to end as we are always told no money. Sorry to be a whingeing pom but the group of four coaches not enough now.

Maybe one of them will get Pulis and Gasmi fit for xmas timetable.

Edited 16 September, 2008 by ottery st mary

[Saint Martini]

Well, its not picking names out of a hat. Like the article said, he has a successful football academy in the Netherlands that is apparently popular with several players in the Netherlands. Your comment about British coaches is fair enough I suppose but the fact of the matter is that this philosophy (in Dutch its called the "Wiel Coerver Methode") on football training comes from the Netherlands and it has picked up big time in recent years. The problem is, not many foreign coaches are familiar with it, so I don't think there is many (if any) British coaches that could do this (Which might explain why Manu have a Dutch coach doing this).

 

As for your comment about them having 4-6 games. I don't think that should have any effect on hiring coaches for both youth and senior teams.

Edited 16 September, 2008 by Saint Martini

[NickG]

I have nothing against giving any of these chaps a go but they will all live and die by the results over the next 4-6 games.

Are you sure we are not just picking these names out of the hat and ignoring good young british coaches/fitness experts. Whatever happened to that young Woodward.

I can see the day when each player has his own personal coach. So the wage bill ever tops up.

But hey ho give them there 5 minutes. Where is it all going to end as we are always told no money. Sorry to be a whingeing pom but the group of four coaches not enough now.

Maybe one of them will get Pulis and Gasmi fit for xmas timetable.

 

what do they need to achieve over next 4-6 games? Do you really think we should start yet again? Frying pan/fire management again.

[ottery st mary]

what do they need to achieve over next 4-6 games? Do you really think we should start yet again? Frying pan/fire management again.

 

4-6 games will be the first real bench mark as to where we are and is the system going in a reasonable direction. As a supporter if we do not have about 10-12 points in total by that time I will be very worried for my team.

I am hoping and praying that JP is going in the right direction but have grave concerns that a few more losses over the next few weeks and the lads will need some major help and that is when The Chairman maybe feeling the effects of The Frying pan/Fire. My worry is that to bring in extra coach/es

on top of the large backroom staff we already have is to assist JP or is the panic before the fire starts.

 

You seem to think we persist with a scheme even if we are 10 points adrift after 10-15 games. You have a lot of faith nick.

 

i want my team to win. I understand the financial problem but let us get some points fast and if by then we have 6 or 7 dutch coaches I will not say a word. I am right behind the coach JP but hoping some of the coaching/luck goes for us soon. The Pulis/Gasmi is another strange set of circumstances with the finances tight.

[alpine_saint]

Wow, Lowe's stubborn self-opinionatedness knows now boundaries...

 

This is SCW/Simon Clifford in clogs..

 

Again, Lowe reckons he can polish a turd.

 

Spend money on backroom staff and not players.

[Saint Martini]

4-6 games will be the first real bench mark as to where we are and is the system going in a reasonable direction. As a supporter if we do not have about 10-12 points in total by that time I will be very worried for my team.

I am hoping and praying that JP is going in the right direction but have grave concerns that a few more losses over the next few weeks and the lads will need some major help and that is when The Chairman maybe feeling the effects of The Frying pan/Fire. My worry is that to bring in extra coach/es

on top of the large backroom staff we already have is to assist JP or is the panic before the fire starts.

 

You seem to think we persist with a scheme even if we are 10 points adrift after 10-15 games. You have a lot of faith nick.

 

i want my team to win. I understand the financial problem but let us get some points fast and if by then we have 6 or 7 dutch coaches I will not say a word. I am right behind the coach JP but hoping some of the coaching/luck goes for us soon. The Pulis/Gasmi is another strange set of circumstances with the finances tight.

 

This is not going to have effect on the short term. Its a technique trainer that will work with players individually. This is more about player development that first team tactics or anything like that. Read the bit on wikipedia about the Wiel Coerver Method via the links I posted in my previous post.

[Legod Second Coming]

Wow, Lowe's stubborn self-opinionatedness knows now boundaries...

 

This is SCW/Simon Clifford in clogs..

 

Again, Lowe reckons he can polish a turd.

 

Spend money on backroom staff and not players.

 

I would guess thar Jan asked for him?

 

Or do you think Lowe's knowledge of football knows no bounds??

[ottery st mary]

This is not going to have effect on the short term. Its a technique trainer that will work with players individually. This is more about player development that first team tactics or anything like that. Read the bit on wikipedia about the Wiel Coerver Method via the links I posted in my previous post.

 

Yes I understand and agree with young player development and know full well that it will be carried out over a period of time but if you do not get results soon there will be no long term development by this particular group of coaches. Surely that happens in most countries. But if you tell me that this man or the one at Man utd is so great then I will not disagree but will state similar people have been developing top class talent at Saints for many yearsand continue to do so ala Jureyeff, Crocker and Puckett for example.

Still sounds like Woodward/Clifford Scheme and wether it is or not the first team should be playing positive CCC football now and not promises to the future that should be in tandem with first team endeavours now.

The thrust of my case is not against your Dutch coaches good or bad as I am only interested in the first team to-day and hope that the youth will be developed and brought through gradually. But 4-6 or even 8-10 games and no results then I suggest massive rethink.

 

But because I love Saints I want them to win every game and usually go with the flow but if they ponce around with 20 badges each and no result there out the door on the ferry back to Holland.

[Danbert]

I would guess thar Jan asked for him?

 

Or do you think Lowe's knowledge of football knows no bounds??

 

No, Lowe thinks Lowe's knowledge of football knows no bounds.

[ottery st mary]

If.. We do not get some useful points in the next 4-6 games then I would ask Lowey to coach the first team whilst the Dutch team of coaches(are there 6 now) carry on with the experiment of developing the youth and gradually putting in place the total football concept from the grass roots through to the first team.(how I see change at a football club or any business)

 

I was only joking about Lowey as it would have to be Wildey as he runs the football side and he could not do any worse than what is going on at the moment.

Now if we start winning a few games.....

[Whitey Grandad]

You should hear Steve McLaren give an interview in English but speaking with a fake Dutch accent - both pointless and hilarious

For those who haven't heard it yet:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg_xa-c9hHY