Thedelldays Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 (edited) ONE LONE STRIKER (4-5-1) P10.. W1.. D6.. L3.. GF.. 9 GA 12....PTS 9 an average 0.9 points a game TWO STRIKERS (4-4-2) P28.. W18.. D6.. L4.. GF 62.. GA 27.... PTS 60 an average of 2.07 per game. a selection of the games we played 4-5-1 away MILLWALL D EXETER D BRIGHTON D COLCHESTER L STOCKPORT D HUDDERSFIELD L SWINDON L Edited 5 April, 2010 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 ONE LONE STRIKER (4-5-1) P10.. W1.. D6.. L3.. GF.. 9 GA 12....PTS 9 an average 0.9 points a game TWO STRIKERS (4-4-2) P28.. W18.. D6.. L4.. GF 62.. GA 27.... PTS 60 an average of 2.07 per game. a list of the games we played 4-5-1 away for the whole game MILLWALL D EXETER D BRIGHTON D COLCHESTER L STOCKPORT D HUDDERSFIELD L SWINDON L Case Closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 No at Oldham and Southend we played 451 and also Walsall so ur wrong. I'd play 442 though at mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 5 April, 2010 will add...the formations are starting formations not playing the whole game.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 Also we played 451 at home to mk dons in league and vs gillingham at home! Guys I agree some of the away form has been poor ie Exeter was shocking and I think at this stage we have to win so 442 everytime! Is Morgan playing today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willsasaint Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 Was two up front at Walsall. Remember Lambo and Conolly both started and scored ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 I don't see how a magazine even affects a cash machine to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 I think it is too simplistic to say 'you should always play x-x-x', sometimes different formations suit different opposition / available players / surfaces / weather conditions. We've developed as a team over the year so to declare two 'early' defeats (Swindon & Huddersfield) as 'case closed' over 4-5-1 is a bit premature. I think Saints do, with the players available (specifically Morgan) play better as 4-4-2. This doesn't however mean we should play it every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 I thought we played 4-3-3 in some of those games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 4-4-2 with the players we have is a no-brainer. It is the only gripe i have wih AP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 5 April, 2010 4-4-2 with the players we have is a no-brainer. It is the only gripe i have wih AP agree I think (from the few times I have seen) that barnard and lambert are a very good striking pair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 It is not the formation that is the issue. There are teams that play 1 up front with plenty of goals on the board. It is how you play it. So long as you get players forward when attacking it doesn't really make any difference. We actually went through a period of scoring lots of goals with 5 in midfield and people were complaining when we changed to 442! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 I don't think we defend well enough as a team whether it is 4-4-2 or 4-5-1, so I prefer 4-4-2 as it gives us a better chance of scoring goals. 4-5-1 just seems to invite more pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 Agree but when we have such good strikers as Lambert and Barnard we need to play both imho. Good to see you copying posts from The Ugly, DellDays. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 4 4 2 is the best formation if we have some creativity in midfield ie Morgan Without him 4 5 1 shoould probably no be discounted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 ONE LONE STRIKER (4-5-1) P10.. W1.. D6.. L3.. GF.. 9 GA 12....PTS 9 an average 0.9 points a game TWO STRIKERS (4-4-2) P28.. W18.. D6.. L4.. GF 62.. GA 27.... PTS 60 an average of 2.07 per game. a selection of the games we played 4-5-1 away MILLWALL D EXETER D BRIGHTON D COLCHESTER L STOCKPORT D HUDDERSFIELD L SWINDON L You seem to ignore the fact that the team switches between 442 and 451 during games and then back again. I can't see how you can make a clear distinction between games playing 442 and 451. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 4 4 2 is the best formation if we have some creativity in midfield ie Morgan Without him 4 5 1 shoould probably no be discounted Agree. If anyone has the JPT final match programme, there is an iterview with Phil Parkinson (of charlton;)) talking about APs time at saints some interesting insights into the 4-5-1 / 4-4-2 debate worth a read IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonball Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 We are crap with 451. We've got the best team on paper in the division. We should play 442 every week and try to score more goals then the opposition.Simples! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydney_saint Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 Maybe I'm going mad but I swear last year when we were winning most of our matches 3-1 we started with 4-5-1 and would bring on connolly and switch to a 4-4-2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 I don't think we defend well enough as a team whether it is 4-4-2 or 4-5-1' date=' so I prefer 4-4-2 as it gives us a better chance of scoring goals. 4-5-1 just seems to invite more pressure.[/quote'] I think this is a very good observation. There seems to be something in the mentality of those who play in a 5-man midfield that tells them to sit back and invite pressure - at least for Saints that is. Or perhaps then that's just part of a 4-5-1 gameplan? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 Case Closed. It's not a question of case closed, it's a question of what players you have available and their fitness levels. Take the 442 that mullahed Huddersfield, you would put that out every time with the application the players showed. Take away that application and you either need to substitute players to give a similar response or change the system to cover a weakness. We have one pronounced weakness when things are not going well for us, the midfield losing control. Put the best players capable of holding the midfield together in those situation, with the option of opening things up in the second half if required. It's pointless going with a poor 442 selection that is just going to get opened up, you have no plan B now available. Whereas that same 442 in the 2nd half of tight game could well pay dividends at that point. we really need to get the right players in the right area so they can do a job for us. Sometimes that is not possible but I feel this is where we lack the practicality. I would far prefer Fonte to step up into central midfield than put Puncheon in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 I take its 4-5-1 today, the way its going.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 5 April, 2010 I take its 4-5-1 today, the way its going.. no..LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 ONE LONE STRIKER (4-5-1) P10.. W1.. D6.. L3.. GF.. 9 GA 12....PTS 9 an average 0.9 points a game TWO STRIKERS (4-4-2) P28.. W18.. D6.. L4.. GF 62.. GA 27.... PTS 60 an average of 2.07 per game. a selection of the games we played 4-5-1 away MILLWALL D EXETER D BRIGHTON D COLCHESTER L STOCKPORT D HUDDERSFIELD L SWINDON L That's simply not true, where did you pull these figures from? Oldham, Southend, Gillingham and MK Dons where all 4-5-1 wins earlier in the season and some of the best football we've played all season. I agree with your point that we're better off playing 4-4-2 with our group of players but the stats you've posted are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 Yes today we played 4-4-2 put two of the most deadly strikers in league one up front and ooooooopppppps by all accounts played better at Brighton in a 4-5-1. Maybe formation is less relevant than whether the players are in the mood. Not many seemed very interested today from where I was sitting in the chapel. Thank god for Lallanna a cut above today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 5 April, 2010 Share Posted 5 April, 2010 We where just as bad at Brighton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now