London Saint Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 Not sure if this has been posted yet...not much new material here but a good reminder of the importance of our academy to us http://www.sport.co.uk/features/Football/1622/What_is_the_secret_behind_Southamptons_youth_academy.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 Not sure if this has been posted yet...not much new material here but a good reminder of the importance of our academy to us http://www.sport.co.uk/features/Football/1622/What_is_the_secret_behind_Southamptons_youth_academy.aspx Thanks for posting that link. A good article, hereby 'bumped' for others to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 No mention of Lallana? And his pu****ation isn't great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 7 April, 2011 Share Posted 7 April, 2011 I'd rather there was no mention of Lallana. He seems to have gone largely under the radar purely because he doesnt happen to have lightning pace. For me, out of Bale, Walcott and Lallana, Lallana is the one with the ability on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 Interesting article, although quite similar - word for word in places - to this one in the Guardian from January: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/jan/28/southampton-alex-oxlade-chamberlain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 I always have looked at how Ajax and Barcelona (now) have kept a flow of players and saw that was what RL had hoped to achieve. Yes we had great players through our system before but it didnt seem to be such a policy that was financially supported as in the last decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 The comments about character are interesting. Bale, Walcott, Lallana, Chamberlain, Baird and Surman all come across really well whenever I've seen them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 I'd rather there was no mention of Lallana. He seems to have gone largely under the radar purely because he doesnt happen to have lightning pace. For me, out of Bale, Walcott and Lallana, Lallana is the one with the ability on the ball. Seriously? Lallana is better on the ball than bale? Christ here we go again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 Seriously? Lallana is better on the ball than bale? Christ here we go again My reasoning is that Bale tends to push the ball past players and then beat them to it with his blistering pace and lung-bursting stamina. I would argue Lallana is a superior dribbler in the old fashioned, ball-stuck-to-your-feet sense of the word. Nothing wrong with how Bale does it. It's effective and beautiful to watch but you are more likely to see Lallana dribble round players in the centre of the field without relying on pace than Bale. Bale can do it on the left because the wings are much less congested. Try doing what Bale does in the centre of the park and his run would get stopped a lot more often by centre backs and midfielders. Thats my point and I think its valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Saint Posted 8 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 8 April, 2011 Also the fact that Lallana has steadily progressed to being an excellent player rather than exploding onto the scene as a teenager ( a la Bale, Walcott and Oxo) means he has kept under the radar a bit more, which is only good news for us. He is already a good Championship player and with a bit more experience and progression can be a Premier league one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 My reasoning is that Bale tends to push the ball past players and then beat them to it with his blistering pace and lung-bursting stamina. I would argue Lallana is a superior dribbler in the old fashioned, ball-stuck-to-your-feet sense of the word. Nothing wrong with how Bale does it. It's effective and beautiful to watch but you are more likely to see Lallana dribble round players in the centre of the field without relying on pace than Bale. Bale can do it on the left because the wings are much less congested. Try doing what Bale does in the centre of the park and his run would get stopped a lot more often by centre backs and midfielders. Thats my point and I think its valid. Not against Inter Milan would he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 Not against Inter Milan would he I dont think it's up for debate who the better player is, without a shadow of a doubt its Bale. All I am saying is Lallana is more comfortable dribbling with the ball at his feet whereas Bale relies heavily on touching the ball past his opponent in to space and then beating them to the ball in a race a la Aaron Lennon but with an infinitely better end product. I do happen to think though that Lallana is the sort of player who could do a job for any team. If he had better quality players around him it would just make him a better player. As has been the case with Bale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 Seriously? Lallana is better on the ball than bale? Christ here we go again What is so stupid? Lallana has the quickest feet of any saints player I've watched. Bale and Lallana are just different players. In my opinion Lallana is already a Premiership player and I still cannot believe that we managed to sign him to a 4 year deal. There will be big money offers come the end of season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 If Jason Puncheon can start games and score goals for a club in the Premier League, Alex Chamberlain and Adam Lallana could easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 What is so stupid? Lallana has the quickest feet of any saints player I've watched. Bale and Lallana are just different players. In my opinion Lallana is already a Premiership player and I still cannot believe that we managed to sign him to a 4 year deal. There will be big money offers come the end of season. If you don't know then you shouldn't really be allowed access to a computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 My reasoning is that Bale tends to push the ball past players and then beat them to it with his blistering pace and lung-bursting stamina. I would argue Lallana is a superior dribbler in the old fashioned, ball-stuck-to-your-feet sense of the word. Nothing wrong with how Bale does it. It's effective and beautiful to watch but you are more likely to see Lallana dribble round players in the centre of the field without relying on pace than Bale. Bale can do it on the left because the wings are much less congested. Try doing what Bale does in the centre of the park and his run would get stopped a lot more often by centre backs and midfielders. Thats my point and I think its valid. Lallana is in league one. Bale destroyed Inter Milan and is coveted by the top teams in the world. The difference is huge. Massive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 The comments about character are interesting. Bale, Walcott, Lallana, Chamberlain, Baird and Surman all come across really well whenever I've seen them. Then there was Nathan Dyer, suppose getting it wrong occassionally is to be expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 Lallana is in league one. Bale destroyed Inter Milan and is coveted by the top teams in the world. The difference is huge. Massive. That doesn't mean Lallana can't have some qualities better than Bale. Bale beats player by being able to run with the ball very, very well at pace. Lallana beats players with trickery. I doubt Bale could beat a player the way Lallana does and vice versa. Of course Bale is the better player though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 That doesn't mean Lallana can't have some qualities better than Bale. Of course Bale is the better player though. Bale beats player by being able to run with the ball very, very well at pace. Lallana beats players with trickery, I doubt Bale could beat a player the way Lallana does and vice versa. I simply do not believe that Lallana is better in the ball than Bale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 (edited) I simply do not believe that Lallana is better in the ball than Bale. Have you seen Bale beat players with lots of quick changes of direction and feints like Lallana does? I haven't. Bale's method of beating players is to beat them by out pacing them and having good ball control at speed. Of course Bale is doing it at a much higher level and against far better opponents. Edited 8 April, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 Bale is waaaaay better than Lallana right now.. By a massive country mile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 Bale is waaaaay better than Lallana right now.. By a massive country mile That wasn't the issue being discussed. Neither Sambosa75 or I said Lallana was better than Bale. In fact we both said the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 Have you seen Bale beat players with lots of quick changes of direction and faints like Lallana does? I haven't. Bale's method of beating players is to beat them by out pacing them and having good ball control at speed. Of course Bale is doing it at a much higher level and against far better opponents. That wasn't what was asked. Bale is better on the ball than Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 Have you seen Bale beat players with lots of quick changes of direction and faints like Lallana does? I haven't. Bale's method of beating players is to beat them by out pacing them and having good ball control at speed. Of course Bale is doing it at a much higher level and against far better opponents. That's "feint", oh pedantic one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 Bale is waaaaay better than Lallana right now.. By a massive country mile That isnt the debate. I've already said that. Bale is probably the best left sided player in the world right now. As I said before, it's not even up for arguing. As MLG said though, it doesnt mean there arent certain things Lallana does better. Having quick feet and beating players with close ball control is not something Bale does. It is however exactly how Lallana relies on beating people. It's like saying because Messi is the best player in the world he MUST be better in the air than Andy Carroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 That isnt the debate. I've already said that. Bale is probably the best left sided player in the world right now. As I said before, it's not even up for arguing. As MLG said though, it doesnt mean there arent certain things Lallana does better. Having quick feet and beating players with close ball control is not something Bale does. It is however exactly how Lallana relies on beating people. It's like saying because Messi is the best player in the world he MUST be better in the air than Andy Carroll. It depends upon your definition of ball control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 8 April, 2011 Share Posted 8 April, 2011 It depends upon your definition of ball control. Kicking the ball past a player and then beating them for pace insn't generally considered good ball control. I agree that lallana is better than bale with the ball at his feet without having to rely on pace. Put bale in the middle of the park and he would be useless. He also needs to be careful not to become a one trick poney with his kick and rush approach although he does do it expectionally well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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