Raven on the wing Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 Is the time now right to put two fingers up to Rupert Lowe and all those who engineered his return to power at St Marys, and leave them to their own devices. How appropriate it would be that Rupert should end up losing his investment by the club going in to administration. I would settle for the consequences of that, if it means seeing the back of that arrogant pr*t who knows so much more about the game than people who have lived and breathed the game for a lifetime. His actions this week in loaning out the third of our recognised strikers in order to cement the place of Mc Goaldrought beggars belief. Why not organise a peaceful protest by transferring our support to Eastleigh FC on a highly visible basis ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 Is the time now right to put two fingers up to Rupert Lowe and all those who engineered his return to power at St Marys, and leave them to their own devices. How appropriate it would be that Rupert should end up losing his investment by the club going in to administration. I would settle for the consequences of that, if it means seeing the back of that arrogant pr*t who knows so much more about the game than people who have lived and breathed the game for a lifetime. His actions this week in loaning out the third of our recognised strikers in order to cement the place of Mc Goaldrought beggars belief. Why not organise a peaceful protest by transferring our support to Eastleigh FC on a highly visible basis ?I was pondering this idear myself. FC SOUTHAMPTON would be my choice of name, like FC Wimbledon and FC Manchester! No more Lowe,Wilde ECT! FANTASTIC!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 dont let the door hit your arse on the way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 Hmm. Eastleigh are probably a proud outfit. But if they were to poll the FA about changing their name to FC Southampton, I do wonder in the current climate surrounding SMS if this would give Saints fans a new Lowe-&-Wilde-free flag to rally around, and their attendances and fortunes would receive an almighty shot-in-the-arm. After all, they are an established team, not some knee-jerk opportunistic protest outfit like AFC Wimbledon or FC United Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 dont let the door hit your arse on the way out.There again the way were playing, we'd be in that position soon enough anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 St. Mary's Y.M.A. The original name of the club in 1885 I don't think we should do this btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven on the wing Posted 9 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 January, 2009 10 weeks on it hasnot got any better has it !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 I'm in. I'll do the oranges at half time. My whippet can be the club mascot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 Hmm. Eastleigh are probably a proud outfit. But if they were to poll the FA about changing their name to FC Southampton, I do wonder in the current climate surrounding SMS if this would give Saints fans a new Lowe-&-Wilde-free flag to rally around, and their attendances and fortunes would receive an almighty shot-in-the-arm. After all, they are an established team, not some knee-jerk opportunistic protest outfit like AFC Wimbledon or FC United Hardly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 ticket prices must not exceed one groat. That is groat with an 'r'. Goats will not be accepted. Except as sacrifice to the footballing gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 knee-jerk opportunistic protest outfit like AFC Wimbledon Yeah why didn't they do the decent thing and just relocate to Milton Keynes the ungrateful bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 Hmm. Eastleigh are probably a proud outfit. But if they were to poll the FA about changing their name to FC Southampton, I do wonder in the current climate surrounding SMS if this would give Saints fans a new Lowe-&-Wilde-free flag to rally around, and their attendances and fortunes would receive an almighty shot-in-the-arm. After all, they are an established team, not some knee-jerk opportunistic protest outfit like AFC Wimbledon or FC United I don't think that idea would go down very well with the good folk of Eastleigh! They're still ****ed about renaming the airport! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 It would be great to set up a club along purely non-profit lines as an 'Industrial and Provident Society'. One man, one vote and that 'share' can never be sold or proxied in anyway. In effect the club could never be taken over by greedy business men like Lowe. However, in order to make absolutely certain that this could not happen the level of debt that the club would have must be kept to an absolute minimum - preferrably zero. Why? Because if it ever came to the point that the AFC became insolvent and couldn't pay its debt then the lure of a White Knight might be too much. Debt is in effect bondage to someone else's will. Of course if SLH does go bust - which in my opinion is highly likely - then its assets, including the brand name 'Southampton Football Club' and the club badge, could be sold off to a newly formed Industrial and Provident Society. The stadium could then be sold off to some one else like a property company who the new IPS could enter into a lease agreement. The club would then, in effect still be called SFC - may be rename to AFC Southampton to show complete change - and crucially the badge and ground would remain. Fans would then pay an annual membership with optional donation. And crucialy, it would still be one man one vote. So if the membership fee was £20 and someone decided to pay £1000 then he would still only get one vote and nothing more. This has got to be the way forward. The more I think about it the more it makes sense. A proper club, run by the members for the members and with a squad of players drawn predominately from the surrounding community who would be paid sensible wages and who would crucially have to first be fully paid up members of the club before they could try out for the team. I am genuinely excited about this idea! In fact the silver lining in this whole credit crunch depression we are in might just be the end of money-grabbing greed-based capitalism across a lot of areas of society. If it could happen at OUR football club then I would be over the moon. Seriously: who would be up for meeting for a pint in Southampton sometime and just chewing over this. Totally informal, no minutes or action-plans. Just the tentative toe-dipping over a pint? After all, SLH could be bankrupt by the summer. A final tought. We the fans really do hold the fate of the club in our hands. If we really wanted to - and I am not at the moment actually advocating it - we could drive SLH into bankruptcy by non-attendance. Once in bankruptcy it would be the administrator who we would talk to, not Lowe. He would be out of the picture completely as ordinary shareholders are the last in line to get paid out. Friday afternoon musings, but even Lenin had to start some where! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjinksie Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 I was pondering this idear myself. FC SOUTHAMPTON would be my choice of name, like FC Wimbledon and FC Manchester! No more Lowe,Wilde ECT! FANTASTIC!! They are AFC Wimbledon, sorry I had to be picky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 They are AFC Wimbledon, sorry I had to be picky indeed, but the 'A' does not stand for 'Association' as it usually does. If memory serves when they set up AFC Wimbledon for some perculiar reason they actively decided not to use the word 'Association' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Gabriel's Halo Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 Hmm. Eastleigh are probably a proud outfit. But if they were to poll the FA about changing their name to FC Southampton, I do wonder in the current climate surrounding SMS if this would give Saints fans a new Lowe-&-Wilde-free flag to rally around, and their attendances and fortunes would receive an almighty shot-in-the-arm. After all, they are an established team, not some knee-jerk opportunistic protest outfit like AFC Wimbledon or FC United Bit unfair I think, I believe both are doing pretty well in their respective divisions and we may well see AFC Wimbledon in the Football League within a couple of years if they continue previous form. By which time we may well be playing them....!! And good luck to them and their founding fans who had the b*lls to actually do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondo Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 i think its a great idea... then all the moaners can go on that forum and moan there as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 i think its a great idea... then all the moaners can go on that forum and moan there as well we wouldn't need to moan on a forum! As equal members/owners of the club our voice would be genuinely heard at the IPS meetings and crucially our votes would be equal and would count. So we wouldn't need to moan! We could take action! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 This makes for very interesting reading. It is the constitution of the Dons' Trust which is the legal owner of AFC Wimbledon. http://www.afcwimbledon.co.uk/dtdocs/dt_constitution_-_version_post_jan_2008_agm.pdf If you have a spare half-hour and you are keen to know how an IPS-owned club would work then read it. The difference between a PLC-owned club could not be starker where the only priority of the PLC is to make characters like Lowe, Wilde et al richer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiansaint Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 I threw the idea about in another post. Count me in for that with a small amount of cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swannymere Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 Good Luck, I can see that becoming a vehicle the publicity-lovers in our ranks:D And to think you lot thought Rupes was a control-freak!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 It would be great to set up a club along purely non-profit lines as an 'Industrial and Provident Society'. One man, one vote and that 'share' can never be sold or proxied in anyway. In effect the club could never be taken over by greedy business men like Lowe. However, in order to make absolutely certain that this could not happen the level of debt that the club would have must be kept to an absolute minimum - preferrably zero. Why? Because if it ever came to the point that the AFC became insolvent and couldn't pay its debt then the lure of a White Knight might be too much. Debt is in effect bondage to someone else's will. Of course if SLH does go bust - which in my opinion is highly likely - then its assets, including the brand name 'Southampton Football Club' and the club badge, could be sold off to a newly formed Industrial and Provident Society. The stadium could then be sold off to some one else like a property company who the new IPS could enter into a lease agreement. The club would then, in effect still be called SFC - may be rename to AFC Southampton to show complete change - and crucially the badge and ground would remain. Fans would then pay an annual membership with optional donation. And crucialy, it would still be one man one vote. So if the membership fee was £20 and someone decided to pay £1000 then he would still only get one vote and nothing more. This has got to be the way forward. The more I think about it the more it makes sense. A proper club, run by the members for the members and with a squad of players drawn predominately from the surrounding community who would be paid sensible wages and who would crucially have to first be fully paid up members of the club before they could try out for the team. I am genuinely excited about this idea! In fact the silver lining in this whole credit crunch depression we are in might just be the end of money-grabbing greed-based capitalism across a lot of areas of society. If it could happen at OUR football club then I would be over the moon. Seriously: who would be up for meeting for a pint in Southampton sometime and just chewing over this. Totally informal, no minutes or action-plans. Just the tentative toe-dipping over a pint? After all, SLH could be bankrupt by the summer. A final tought. We the fans really do hold the fate of the club in our hands. If we really wanted to - and I am not at the moment actually advocating it - we could drive SLH into bankruptcy by non-attendance. Once in bankruptcy it would be the administrator who we would talk to, not Lowe. He would be out of the picture completely as ordinary shareholders are the last in line to get paid out. Friday afternoon musings, but even Lenin had to start some where! I look forward to playing against your team in the Southampton Premier League :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 Seriously though, is this the reaction now everytime there's someone you don't like or disagree with at the club? Every time the club is struggling? We don't get behind them and support them, we go off and form a new club?? Wimbledon was an exceptional circumstance. We're just one of many ex-premiership clubs struggling to turn round a decline. We just happen to have a man running the club that many of you hate more than you love saints. Remove any thoughts about Lowe and the simple fact is if we all turned up and supported the team, we'd have a lot more money and most likely a far far more successful club. Yet we just moan, ***** and discuss new clubs, forcing people out, which players are **** and so on. But FC Manchester (or whatever it's called) wasn't. It was formed by fans who were fed up to the back teeth with the state of MU's finances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swannymere Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 They don't always work anyway, isn't it the Liverpool one that is struggling for numbers? Does anyone really think that they'll get more than 300 fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 Seriously though, is this the reaction now everytime there's someone you don't like or disagree with at the club? Every time the club is struggling? We don't get behind them and support them, we go off and form a new club??. I don't think it's because the club is struggling. Apart from a very brief period when I was too young to appreciate it, the club has always been struggling. I think it's because the people running the club now are complete Berkley hunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 Seriously though, is this the reaction now everytime there's someone you don't like or disagree with at the club? Every time the club is struggling? We don't get behind them and support them, we go off and form a new club?? Wimbledon was an exceptional circumstance. We're just one of many ex-premiership clubs struggling to turn round a decline. We just happen to have a man running the club that many of you hate more than you love saints. Remove any thoughts about Lowe and the simple fact is if we all turned up and supported the team, we'd have a lot more money and most likely a far far more successful club. Yet we just moan, ***** and discuss new clubs, forcing people out, which players are **** and so on. Obviously not. Why do people persist in moulding their oponent's position out of the ashes of their own burnt ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 9 January, 2009 Share Posted 9 January, 2009 I look forward to playing against your team in the Southampton Premier League :-) eh? don't get it. My point is that when Southampton Leisure Holdings PLC goes bankrupt a newly formed Industrial and Provident Society could, if adequately funded, pick up the only assets that are - or should be - of importance to us fans for a knock-down price: the club name and other trade marks such as the badge. Then we can start a new period in our club's history continuing the 124 years worth of history without having to start from scratch. eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 ...we're just one of many ex-premiership clubs struggling to turn round a decline. We just happen to have a man running the club that many of you hate more than you love saints. Remove any thoughts about Lowe and the simple fact is if we all turned up and supported the team, we'd have a lot more money and most likely a far far more successful club. Sorry mate but you have the wrong end of the stick. Speaking for myself, I am still and always will be a solid SFC man. The thing I detest is the very principle that our football CLUB is owned and run by a Public Limited Company whose one and only motive is to make profit, and whose shares are traded on the stock market as though the history and passion which has seen our club through these last 124 years can be bought and sold like just any other commodity. As far as football and community is concerned greed and profiteering can take a back seat. I will continue to 'turn up and support the team'. I always have, and always will. I just bloody wish that nasty profiteers like Lowe and his God awful PLC weren't around to **** us up in the process. People, we can be better than this. We can organize our selves. We can beat the greed. We can bring our club back - indeed, if we acted along with other football clubs the length and breadth of the land we could return the game to its Beautifully intended purpose. Rather than suck us all dry and line the pockets of profiteers like Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 If it is to be a new name: SOUTHAMPTON 1885 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 Why should we change clubs just because of two men - Lowe and Wilde. It's now time to up the pressure on them and to boycott if needs be to get them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 Why should we change clubs just because of two men - Lowe and Wilde. It's now time to up the pressure on them and to boycott if needs be to get them out. I hate the idea of boycott. Southampton FC is not like StarBucks coffee shops. If you don't like the way they do their coffee then fine, boycott. But my support of my football club is not for sale, neither to greedy sods like Lowe nor to consumerist trends in football. That all said, if push came to shove then I would back a boycott, but only under the following terms: 1. All those boycotting, and any organizing body, should make it absolutely clear that the boycott is in protest of the incompetence and greed of the idiots running the club and that the footballing staff and players still have our full support and backing. This would be absolutely paramount and without which, i would still go through the turnstile and give my support. 2. All boycotters should still make the effort to get to SMS on match days. We would then gather outside the stadium and make our protest known. There is no point in organizing a boycott if the picket line is your own front room.. 3. That we have a credible plan to take the club forward. My earlier posts above suggest how this might be done. There is no point in boycotting or protesting against anything unless one has an alternative. All said: UP THE SAINTS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 were going down and bust, not sure which first, but it is going to happen chaps!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 and you know what, were just going to sit about and let it happen! stop funding this shower of sh*t you tw&ts!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 and you know what, were just going to sit about and let it happen! stop funding this shower of sh*t you tw&ts!!!!!! ermmm? care to expand on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 were going down and bust, not sure which first, but it is going to happen chaps!! not sure it matters. if we go down first, then surely we will also go bust as the turnstiles stop turning. And if we go bust first then we get docked 10 points and our position in the fizzy-pop league is (to use political speak) untenable. The only 'joy' about getting relegated is that Lowe, Wilde and Crouch must SURELY all get the hint that they are not up to running a football club and that they should all just **** off. Strange how one has the option of hoping for relegation to get the t0ssers out... UP THE SAINTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven on the wing Posted 10 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 January, 2009 The idea of transfering support to eg Eastleigh would be more beneficial than just boycotting St Marys in many ways. It would be immediately obvious how many people were involved and also benefit Eastleighs finances at a time when they are sitting towards the top of their Division, and looking to making a push for the play offs. How many leagues would seperate Saints from Eastleigh if they moved in opposite directions in May ? It is extremely frustrating that we seem otherwise unable to influence decisions made by the power mad PLC chairman - no matter how pathetic our on field performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 The answer to that question is. Easleigh would be in the Conference and we would be in League 1. This means in the 2010/11 season we could be playing Eastleigh. Unlikely but yes we could be or it could be worse and we could be right at the bottom of the pile starting again! Someone please buy SFC so we can get out of this mess we are in!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 i get the feeling we'll do an Ebbsfleet long before we do an AFC Wimbledon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 You f*cking bottlers. We are better off without you if you have to run when we go through troubled times. Don't bother returning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 If it is to be a new name: SOUTHAMPTON 1885 Be lucky if that's the aggregate gate during a whole season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven on the wing Posted 11 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Kadeem wrote;- "You f*cking bottlers. We are better off without you if you have to run when we go through troubled times. Don't bother returning." Ever been to support Saints @ Fratton Park my friend ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 If it is to be a new name: SOUTHAMPTON 1885 Intersting suggestion;Southampton 1885,formed 2009. I don't dislike your suggestion but would prefer a reference to St Marys in there,either as Southampton St Marys or St Marys Southampton. Perhaps we could name our playing field,lets not call it a ground or stadium yet as The Antellope Ground. If we really wanted to borrow a name that as disappeared off the radar then Southampton Vikings is another - probably inappropriate - option. Or a name we are frquently familiar with,we could call the club Southampton Nil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Kadeem wrote;- "You f*cking bottlers. We are better off without you if you have to run when we go through troubled times. Don't bother returning." Ever been to support Saints @ Fratton Park my friend ? Of course I have. And just to clarify my position: Sadly, you won't all f*ck off because you are 'all internet chat and no action' whingers. You'll be back next week moaning about the Saints that you decided to abandon this week. I can guarantee you that this idea will nver go beyond this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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