BadgerBadger Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 Was he delaying for a draw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Larkin Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 At the time I thought it was to get another striker into the box for the final free-kick. However, I believe substitutions must be announced to the Fourth Official several minutes before they happen, and paperwork completed, so it seems unlikely that was the reason with hindsight. Incidentally, substitutions don't actually waste time, as if the referee is doing his job correctly (and they normally are, with regards to timing) the time taken to make the substitution will be added on at the end. The only way to grind a result out with the use of substitutions is create a break in play, which can disrupt the opposition's attacking momentum. I didn't get the sense tonight that that was what it was for, so it's really a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 A sneaky way for JP to get a very small payback for RL interferring so much with the team thereby costing RL an appearance fee, something that according to posters RL likes to keep to a minimum ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 Maybe the player he took off has a clause in his contract that says he only gets paid half if he's not on the pitch at the final whistle:grin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 thought it was strange, but Surman held his leg and limped when he came off so guess he had tightness / knock -even tho that late not worth injury (specially as so cold) or giving ball away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK the 2nd Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 thought it was strange, but Surman held his leg and limped when he came off so guess he had tightness / knock -even tho that late not worth injury (specially as so cold) or giving ball away. That's what I thought as well. Surman was clearly struggling. We had a free kick to attack from so why not put on a sub even though very late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 surman couldnt run for then entire oeriod of injury time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 We had a free kick to attack from so why not put on a sub even though very late. The 'problem' was that we lost enough 'momentum' in that few seconds for Coventry to sort themselves out. We (Skacel?) was just about to pump a relatively quick free kick in whilst the Coventry players were still organising themselves - picking up players etc - and the substitution simply interrupted the flow. You could see the frustration in a few of the Saints players when the referee blew his whistle to abort the free kick for the substitution. Madness. (But of course, if BWP had headed the ball into the net it would have been genius...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker268 Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 (But of course, if BWP had headed the ball into the net it would have been genius...) Thats just what I was thinking as the ball drifted towards his position seconds after the confusion of the sub at such a late stage, although we could have conceded after that as coventry had a good break Did they announce the extra time last night I didnt hear it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 Did they announce the extra time last night I didnt hear it? Yep.....3 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 Was he delaying for a draw? Making sure BWP gets his appearance money perhaps!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 Surman was injured I believe according to the radio. In theory nothing lost, because the ref should add 30 seconds on for each substitution, though in practice doesn't always happen. More to the point would be why had JP not used his 3rd sub earlier in the game? I know its not compulsory, but fresh legs with 10 or 15 to go can give a team a boost. JP seems to be as daft as Burley was when it comes to subs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 The 'problem' was that we lost enough 'momentum' in that few seconds for Coventry to sort themselves out. We (Skacel?) was just about to pump a relatively quick free kick in whilst the Coventry players were still organising themselves - picking up players etc - and the substitution simply interrupted the flow. You could see the frustration in a few of the Saints players when the referee blew his whistle to abort the free kick for the substitution. Madness. (But of course, if BWP had headed the ball into the net it would have been genius...) the 3rd official was trying to get ref attention the stopage before the free kick to make the substitution but the ref let the, think it was a throw in, be taken quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 I was screaming at the bench because it was a stupid thing to do at that stage of the game. We were 3 mins 10 secs into stoppage time and the referee could quite easily have blown for time straight away. The chap in front of me pointed out that Surman could hardly walk, but in my book it still goes down as the wrong thing to do because it broke up our momentum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 I was screaming at the bench because it was a stupid thing to do at that stage of the game. We were 3 mins 10 secs into stoppage time and the referee could quite easily have blown for time straight away. The chap in front of me pointed out that Surman could hardly walk, but in my book it still goes down as the wrong thing to do because it broke up our momentum. I've got to disagree with you and agree with the bloke in front of you. Surman could hardly walk and was a passenger. JP had no way to know how much longer the ref would play for and if Coventry had broken and scored thanks to Surman's incapacity then JP would have rightly been criticised. It's always better to have 11 fit players on the pitch than 10 fit and one injurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 Surman looked as though his hamstring had tightened and he hobbled off. People are just desperate to slate JP on here for anything. This though is not a rod to beat him with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 JP had no way to know how much longer the ref would play for No way of knowing how much time was left? Surely someone on the bench has the job of running a stop watch for this very eventuality? We are a well oiled machine after all.... On reflection though, I do tend to agree that he was in a no-win situation given Surman's injury.....talking of which....does that mean Surman is out for Saturday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 My own take on it was that in the final 3 minutes we looked a bit chaotic, panicky and disorganised and Coventry could have probably nicked it so JP just went for a substitution to give us 20/30 seconds rest to get our heads together and get our shape back. Make sure we didn't concede a silly late goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 October, 2008 Share Posted 29 October, 2008 My own take on it was that in the final 3 minutes we looked a bit chaotic, panicky and disorganised and Coventry could have probably nicked it so JP just went for a substitution to give us 20/30 seconds rest to get our heads together and get our shape back. Make sure we didn't concede a silly late goal. The irony being that the free kick then came to nothing and Coventry nearly got the winner on the resultant counter-attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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