Did anyone understand what JP was saying after the match??

[Tamesaint]

If so, can you please tell me. I can workout what making a goal means. I can appreciate he says tink instead of think but how about the rest of his ramblings?

 

Once you hae explained can you please also tell the players.

 

Perhaps Rupert will check on a manager's ability to communicate effectively before he chooses a manager next time.

[chi saint]

I can honestly say neither me or my sons understood a word, well perhaps the words, just not the context or meaning.

 

God knows I hope the players are able to understand what he's on about.

[Snowballs2]

If so, can you please tell me. I can workout what making a goal means. I can appreciate he says tink instead of think but how about the rest of his ramblings?

 

Once you hae explained can you please also tell the players.

 

Perhaps Rupert will check on a manager's ability to communicate effectively before he chooses a manager next time.

 

 

No...and Jan didn't either

[St Marco]

all i understood was "the boysh are good boysh but they wernt motivated, they didnt want it, that is football, not my fault"

[rpb]

Perhaps Rupert will check on a manager's ability to communicate effectively before he chooses a manager next time.

 

Why? It worked with Strachan.

[eurosaint]

I think that we lesser mortals just have to believe that this is indeed 'total football' and we obviously are not privvy to the higher ground that Jan and Rupsey currently inhabit !

Everybody I speak to reckons that we are in the sh1t but perhaps we just don't understand the whole concept of a 'revolutonary new coaching system' etc. etc..!

I know that we are all missing something but I feel sure that in time all will become clear, I just hope that this comes before administration !!

&*^%$"£!)(&^%

[ottery st mary]

To be fair to Lowey, he did the pre game talk, tactics and all that and he gave the half time chat. He left JP with a script to follow for the after match speel. Whilst Lowey is serving drinks in the lounges. What more can a man do for his beloved team.

 

You just can't get the staff nowadays, can you boss..For chrisakes JP get a grip follow the few lines your given.

[stthrobber]

Everybody I speak to reckons that we are in the sh1t but perhaps we just don't understand the whole concept of a 'revolutonary new coaching system' etc. etc..!

 

Simply put, it means we are up sh1t creek without a paddle and we are going to get rid of our experienced coaches and players in a drastic cost cutting exercise and bring in a couple of Dutchmen on the cheap who are used to working with kids, however, so that the fans don't get on our backs, we'll spin it as a revolutionary coaching system so that no-one will possibly ever think it's farking big risk we are taking.

 

I do feel sorry for anyone who tries to manage our club under the financial constraints set by our overdraft, but having got rid of a bunch of overpaid journeymen mercenaries to be replaced by our talented academy boys, they appear to be setting out on their own journey to overpaid journeymen status and most of them are only just growing pubic hair.

 

I also feel a bit sorry for Lowe because he has tried to do something to get the club back on an even keel, but I think we can all see that our current form will take us down a level further if something is not done now.

 

It's all very well trying to play nice attacking football etc, but we are sinking fast and we need someone who can teach the players how to win ugly as well as play nice football.

 

I'm sure he's a decent bloke and all that but imo JP's time is up

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Does anyone ever understand it?

[St Landrew]

To be honest, I think this is nitpicking, eurobashing rubbish. How many here speak as good Dutch, as Jan speaks English..? I'm sure Jan is able to make himself understood, even if footballers aren't the quickest individuals upstairs.

 

However, the run of games hasn't been good enough. If possible, it's time to change direction; if it can be afforded. But let's cut out the insults eh..?

[Legod Third Coming]

To be honest, I think this is nitpicking, eurobashing rubbish. How many here speak as good Dutch, as Jan speaks English..? I'm sure Jan is able to make himself understood, even if footballers aren't the quickest individuals upstairs.

 

However, the run of games hasn't been good enough. If possible, it's time to change direction; if it can be afforded. But let's cut out the insults eh..?

 

Totally, the guy has more decency than our board has ever shown. He is humble, friendly and more willing to engage with fans than anyone I have ever seen in football.

 

Results are one thing. Running the guy down quite another.

[hackedoff]

He talks ****** and his " team " play it,so he must be getting his point across.

[NickG]

as I got in the car, heard radio solent apologising for him swearing in interview -what did he say?

[St Landrew]

as I got in the car, heard radio solent apologising for him swearing in interview -what did he say?

 

He did say F**K, apparently.

[solentstars]

To be honest, I think this is nitpicking, eurobashing rubbish. How many here speak as good Dutch, as Jan speaks English..? I'm sure Jan is able to make himself understood, even if footballers aren't the quickest individuals upstairs.

 

However, the run of games hasn't been good enough. If possible, it's time to change direction; if it can be afforded. But let's cut out the insults eh..?

i agree i think it sums up this silly thread,it says more about the poster.

[Ponty]

Perhaps Rupert will check on a manager's ability to communicate effectively before he chooses a manager next time.

 

And that's why we should never appoint Scolari!

 

How's your Dutch by the way?

[Long Shot]

Totally, the guy has more decency than our board has ever shown. He is humble, friendly and more willing to engage with fans than anyone I have ever seen in football.

 

Results are one thing. Running the guy down quite another.

 

 

For once I agree with you.

I feel sorry for him and I feel sorry for the young lads yesterday who did their best but were not good enough. Some of them tried to applaud the fans at the end but were met with boos and empty stands. How sad a sight was that?

There is only one person to blame. He has presided over 9 years out of 12 in our recent history and has ruined this club and a few careers (Wigley, Sturrock, Gray etc) in the process. Now JP is going through the mangle. He should never have been put in the position he is in. He is a decent honest guy but he has also been promoted way above his capabilities.

[Ponty]

For once I agree with you.

I feel sorry for him and I feel sorry for the young lads yesterday who did their best but were not good enough. Some of them tried to applaud the fans at the end but were met with boos and empty stands. How sad a sight was that?

There is only one person to blame. He has presided over 9 years out of 12 in our recent history and has ruined this club and a few careers (Wigley, Sturrock, Gray etc) in the process. Now JP is going through the mangle. He should never have been put in the position he is in. He is a decent honest guy but he has also been promoted way above his capabilities.

 

I'm not even sure he is out of his depth, in fact I think he'd do better another league up where he could have a team that had the talent to play to his desired style. When the lads are on their game the football is beautifully effective. Unfortunately we don't have a team of Rooney, Ronaldo and Tevez to make it work every game.

[benjii]

For once I agree with you.

I feel sorry for him and I feel sorry for the young lads yesterday who did their best but were not good enough. Some of them tried to applaud the fans at the end but were met with boos and empty stands. How sad a sight was that?

There is only one person to blame. He has presided over 9 years out of 12 in our recent history and has ruined this club and a few careers (Wigley, Sturrock, Gray etc) in the process. Now JP is going through the mangle. He should never have been put in the position he is in. He is a decent honest guy but he has also been promoted way above his capabilities.

 

I don't think he can be acused of ruining the careers of Wigley, Sturrock and Gray, all of whom seem to be doing pretty well for themselves.

 

He is an inept **** though.

[um pahars]

For Poortvliet, read Wigley.

 

Both are obviously really nice guys, both tried their best, but both were/are out of their depth.

 

I can't blame Poortvliet for taking the job on, but I do think the twrat he appointed him should be held responsible.

 

We had a manager of reasonable standard who was fully supported by the fan base, so wh the fckukc was he sacked????

 

Jan to go and Lowe to stand down.

[um pahars]

I'm not even sure he is out of his depth, in fact I think he'd do better another league up where he could have a team that had the talent to play to his desired style. When the lads are on their game the football is beautifully effective. Unfortunately we don't have a team of Rooney, Ronaldo and Tevez to make it work every game.

 

Rewind a bit and ask yourself why no "big" team has ever come knocking on his door. He's shiiyt here and he'd be shyyt at an even higher level.

 

His CV shows one team of any real distinction and even that job was temporary for less than a season whilst the "real" manager got his coaching badges!!!!!!!!

[Long Shot]

I don't think he can be acused of ruining the careers of Wigley, Sturrock and Gray, all of whom seem to be doing pretty well for themselves.

 

He is an inept **** though.

 

 

Yes, Benjii but all of them had to undergo a pretty unpleasant period of time before they re-invigorated their careers. All decent men but all wrongly employed by Lowe.

If I was a young (or even old manager) the last Chairman I would wish to work for right now is Lowe. I'd feel more comfortable being a turkey living next door to Bernard Matthews.

[rocknrollman no2]

For Poortvliet, read Wigley.

 

Both are obviously really nice guys, both tried their best, but both were/are out of their depth.

 

I can't blame Poortvliet for taking the job on, but I do think the twrat he appointed him should be held responsible.

 

We had a manager of reasonable standard who was fully supported by the fan base, so wh the fckukc was he sacked????

 

JAN TO GO AND LOWE TO STAND DOWN.

 

Now that last bit would really make my Christmas a happier one!

[Ponty]

OK, this is my last comment on the subject...

 

There's nothing to suggest that Pearson could do any better with this squad. He survived, JUST, with a team that was superior in almost every department to the one we see go out week after week this year.

 

There is no intrinsic problem with Jan's style of play. It works with better players but he's stuck with what he's got. The loan additions he's been free to make have been a mixture of disappointment an success, in almost equal numbers, but that's true of any team in any league.

 

The squad is dictated by our finances. We simply cannot afford to spend more money on the squad.

 

Lowe is as responsible as the previous chairman for our current situation BUT I don't see there's much more he can do than stave of the unthinkable situation of administration by any means necessary.

 

There is no easy fix without large amounts of investment from a benefactor (who doesn't seem to exist) buying the club, anything else is a gamble.

 

It has to be accepted that a change of manager is as big a gamble as riding things out as they are, and if people on both sides of the argument could see that this forum would be a much nicer place.

[Ponty]

Rewind a bit and ask yourself why no "big" team has ever come knocking on his door. He's shiiyt here and he'd be shyyt at an even higher level.

 

His CV shows one team of any real distinction and even that job was temporary for less than a season whilst the "real" manager got his coaching badges!!!!!!!!

 

That's your opinion and I respect that, but then I've always been a people person.

 

Oh, and that was my last comment....

[benjii]

OK, this is my last comment on the subject...

 

There's nothing to suggest that Pearson could do any better with this squad. He survived, JUST, with a team that was superior in almost every department to the one we see go out week after week this year.

 

There is no intrinsic problem with Jan's style of play. It works with better players but he's stuck with what he's got. The loan additions he's been free to make have been a mixture of disappointment an success, in almost equal numbers, but that's true of any team in any league.

 

The squad is dictated by our finances. We simply cannot afford to spend more money on the squad.

 

Lowe is as responsible as the previous chairman for our current situation BUT I don't see there's much more he can do than stave of the unthinkable situation of administration by any means necessary.

 

There is no easy fix without large amounts of investment from a benefactor (who doesn't seem to exist) buying the club, anything else is a gamble.

 

It has to be accepted that a change of manager is as big a gamble as riding things out as they are, and if people on both sides of the argument could see that this forum would be a much nicer place.

 

You mean if we all agreed with you?

[Ponty]

You mean if we all agreed with you?

 

You don't even know what I'd propose! I just said that both options are a big gamble...

 

Unless that's the bit you have a problem with.

[Snowballs2]

For Poortvliet, read Wigley.

 

Both are obviously really nice guys, both tried their best, but both were/are out of their depth.

 

I can't blame Poortvliet for taking the job on, but I do think the twrat he appointed him should be held responsible.

 

We had a manager of reasonable standard who was fully supported by the fan base, so wh the fckukc was he sacked????

 

JAN TO GO AND LOWE TO STAND DOWN.

 

Now that last bit would really make my Christmas a happier one!

 

 

Not a chance in hell of that actually happening, although it is the season of goodwill to all men.

What I would like to know is why Crouch does not try and talk to Wilde in order to get Lowe and Jan out while we still have another 22 league games to play.

Has Crouch really given up? I never had him marked as a quitter, so come on Leon talk to him.

[Ponty]

I'll make my last comment elsewhen then ffs!

[Long Shot]

OK, this is my last comment on the subject...

 

There's nothing to suggest that Pearson could do any better with this squad. He survived, JUST, with a team that was superior in almost every department to the one we see go out week after week this year.

 

There is no intrinsic problem with Jan's style of play. It works with better players but he's stuck with what he's got. The loan additions he's been free to make have been a mixture of disappointment an success, in almost equal numbers, but that's true of any team in any league.

 

The squad is dictated by our finances. We simply cannot afford to spend more money on the squad.

 

Lowe is as responsible as the previous chairman for our current situation BUT I don't see there's much more he can do than stave of the unthinkable situation of administration by any means necessary.

 

There is no easy fix without large amounts of investment from a benefactor (who doesn't seem to exist) buying the club, anything else is a gamble.

 

It has to be accepted that a change of manager is as big a gamble as riding things out as they are, and if people on both sides of the argument could see that this forum would be a much nicer place.

 

Bizarre post.

To say Pearson survived JUST is a pretty unintelligent view of exactly what Pearson managed to achieve. We were on the rocky road to ruin thanks to the drunkard Burley. (Go on George sue me). Pearson inherited a shambolic de-motivated mess of a club and turned it around to safety in a short period of time and yet you are still mealy mouthed about him. Shame on you.

[Ponty]

I liked Pearson and think he was great at the club but if you don't think surviving in the last half of the last game of the season is "just" then I'd love to see your definition.

[Long Shot]

 

 

Not a chance in hell of that actually happening, although it is the season of goodwill to all men.

What I would like to know is why Crouch does not try and talk to Wilde in order to get Lowe and Jan out while we still have another 22 league games to play.

Has Crouch really given up? I never had him marked as a quitter, so come on Leon talk to him.

 

I think Leon would quite genuinely be preparded to converse with Wilde if it was in the interest of the club but Wilde has thrown his toys out of the pram and Rupert has forbidden him to pick them up.

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[Snowballs2]

 

I think Leon would quite genuinely be preparded to converse with Wilde if it was in the interest of the club but Wilde has thrown his toys out of the pram and Rupert has forbidden him to pick them up.

 

 

Are you saying that Lowe will not let Crouch pick up Wildes toys? or that Lowe will not let Wilde pick them up ?

[Snowballs2]

If Crouch stands by and does nothing, very soon he will be regarded with the same apathy that people hold Wilde and Lowe in

[um pahars]

If Crouch stands by and does nothing, very soon he will be regarded with the same apathy that people hold Wilde and Lowe in

 

I don't for one minute think Crouch has been sitting idly by watching all this unfold. Whether he is being met by a brick wall is another matter.

[St Landrew]

If Crouch stands by and does nothing, very soon he will be regarded with the same apathy that people hold Wilde and Lowe in

 

I don't think there is a sense of apathy for any of them. I think there are three separate emotions regarding the three shareholders. There is definite loathing of Lowe. I've never known a board member to be so disliked. In Wilde there is betrayal, and even possibly complete bemusement. Why has a man who holds so much sway in SFC sat on his hands and done nothing..? It's as if his large shareholding has actually left him powerless. In Crouch there is a sense that he doesn't know what he is doing, despite his good intentions.

[LostBoys]

No - unfortunately they have got worse as we have have got worse. It is no point blaming any language difference as the dutch use the same four letter word for that performance with the same leeters beginning in S and ending in T. I am devastated by the performance and am worried that we will be firmly entrenched in th bottom 3 after next Sunday. Can we get out if we do with the imminent player sales?

[Tamesaint]

i agree i think it sums up this silly thread,it says more about the poster.

 

 

Why is this thread silly??

 

It is clear that JP's team are not playing the way that he wants them to play. His communication skills after the match are poor - his interviews ramble and I find it difficult to understand what he is trying to say. I very much doubt if the players understand him - which could explain our poor organisation on the field and the clueless nature of our play.

 

Perhaps you can explain why this is silly???

[Tamesaint]

How's your Dutch by the way?

 

 

My Dutch is poor. Completely non existent in fact.

 

That is why I do not apply for jobs in Holland where I would be out of my depth.

[Ponty]

Jan's English isn't non-existant. He just has an accent somewhat like Steve McClaren's

[Tamesaint]

Jan's English isn't non-existant. He just has an accent somewhat like Steve McClaren's

 

 

So why doesn't he make sense in his post match interviews??

[Ponty]

Have you ever listened to Scolari, Benitez, Mourinho, Grant, Ramos, Ferguson, etc. in their post-match interviews? Half of what they say is badly translated gobbledigook but they appear to get their message across in the dressing rooms. It's more about the players' abilities than Jan's team talks IMO.

[Weston Super Saint]

I don't think there is a sense of apathy for any of them. I think there are three separate emotions regarding the three shareholders.

 

Only three eh

[Long Shot]

Are you saying that Lowe will not let Crouch pick up Wildes toys? or that Lowe will not let Wilde pick them up ?

 

The latter

[Tamesaint]

Have you ever listened to Scolari, Benitez, Mourinho, Grant, Ramos, Ferguson, etc. in their post-match interviews? Half of what they say is badly translated gobbledigook but they appear to get their message across in the dressing rooms. It's more about the players' abilities than Jan's team talks IMO.

 

 

Yes I have. Their English at times can be poor ... but there is never any difficulty in understanding what they are saying. Jan is in a league of his own in that respect.

 

Have you ever heard Scolari, Benitez , Mourinho and the others you mention above refer regularly (over half a season) to "making a goal" when they mean score??

[Ponty]

Yes I have. Their English at times can be poor ... but there is never any difficulty in understanding what they are saying. Jan is in a league of his own in that respect.

 

Have you ever heard Scolari, Benitez , Mourinho and the others you mention above refer regularly (over half a season) to "making a goal" when they mean score??

Oh come on, you're just arguing for the sake of it. It was a ridiculous proposition in the first place and you're on your own now. I'm done.

[Wiltshire Saint]

Yes I have. Their English at times can be poor ... but there is never any difficulty in understanding what they are saying. Jan is in a league of his own in that respect.

 

Have you ever heard Scolari, Benitez , Mourinho and the others you mention above refer regularly (over half a season) to "making a goal" when they mean score??

 

Eh? Jan said what? Jan said "making a goal"? What the f*ck is he talking about? Bloody hell Lowe, get rid of this joker before we're all eating cheese and smoking pot. Making a goal! Hhahahahahaha! How can the players understand what he wants them to do!!! Imagine if the manager told a player to make a goal! They wouldn't have a clue what was going on.....and look at our lot! Point proven! LOLOLOL!!!!

[magie]

I've had enough of his 'comments'. Think it is time for him to pack his bags and depart.

[Weston Super Saint]

Eh? Jan said what? Jan said "making a goal"? What the f*ck is he talking about? Bloody hell Lowe, get rid of this joker before we're all eating cheese and smoking pot. Making a goal! Hhahahahahaha! How can the players understand what he wants them to do!!! Imagine if the manager told a player to make a goal! They wouldn't have a clue what was going on.....and look at our lot! Point proven! LOLOLOL!!!!

 

It's a fair point....

[jam]

Bizarre post.

To say Pearson survived JUST is a pretty unintelligent view of exactly what Pearson managed to achieve. We were on the rocky road to ruin thanks to the drunkard Burley. (Go on George sue me). Pearson inherited a shambolic de-motivated mess of a club and turned it around to safety in a short period of time and yet you are still mealy mouthed about him. Shame on you.

 

The fact that we secured survival on the last day of the season, after going a goal down and all the time relying on other teams to lose is the very definition of JUST surviving.

 

When Burley left we were mid table - hardly on the rocky road to ruin. The abysmal period of Dodd and Gorman in charge saw the real decline - how many points did we get under them? Yet you ignore their disastrous tenure completely.

 

Now that is bizarre.