Mr X Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11134 Saints boss Jan Poortvliet was left frustrated by his side's 2-0 defeat at Plymouth but was not prepared to lay the blame at his players' feet. Right so its not the players fault yet its not your fault either? who's fault then? This made me laugh "I'm disappointed with the result but not with the team's performance because they showed that they had what it takes to get a result," that makes no sense whatsoever they showed they have what it takes to get a result? how exactly? by losing 2-nil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 He's talked ****** from day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 Oh dear Jan you are starting to lose the plot mate, "they showed they have what it takes to get a result" ??? what not being able to defend or score?? if we cant score we have to find a way to defend & keep clean sheets. to at least get a few points on the board. It makes no odds how much possession you have in the middle of the pitch unless you get the odd bit of end product. The last two match interviews have not been good JP I fear your on borrowed time unless you can get a grip IF ALLOWED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 this is what he really means..."the squad is ****e, never goog enough for this level. I've tried to cover this by swamping midfield, however even that is failing badly as the first 11 gets weaker and weaker due to injuries etc. I'll keep trying, the players will as well, but in the end unless money is made available to me to bring in the players I know and want we are going to struggle." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11134 Saints boss Jan Poortvliet was left frustrated by his side's 2-0 defeat at Plymouth but was not prepared to lay the blame at his players' feet. Right so its not the players fault yet its not your fault either? who's fault then? This made me laugh "I'm disappointed with the result but not with the team's performance because they showed that they had what it takes to get a result," that makes no sense whatsoever they showed they have what it takes to get a result? how exactly? by losing 2-nil? Sorry Jan but that second comment is perhaps the most daft thing I have ever heard a football manager say. They did NOT have what it takes to get a result because they LOST the football game. That really does take the biscuit. Its like someone who says that their team played the better football even though they lost two-nil. No. The team which plays the better football is the one which scores the most goals. End of story. Come on Jan. Please don't insult our intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 The team which plays the better football is the one which scores the most goals. End of story. Come on Jan. Please don't insult our intelligence. rubbish. You can take sides to peices and get hit on the break and lose 1-0. That does not mean you didn't play the better football. Sometimes it is just not your day. Sadly that has nto been the case with us all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 Team of kids doing ok but not enough to get anything from the game. Not going to help if he slags them off, but he doesn't have much of a squad to choose from. McGoldrick is his fault, but then, I don't know how Paterson would do, so again we're really stuck for choice. not really sure 3 points from the last 21 is ok but i take your point and agree with the slagging players off, he cant do that. But he needs to stop looking for excuses. He seems to watch a different game to the rest of us and should take the blame for his mistakes which he keeps making. If we make mistakes we hold our hand up and say my bad. He doesnt then will just make the same one over and over. That is a sign of a poor manager. Managers are supposed to look at teams and use what they have to counter-act the opposition, as far as i can tell he has lost pretty much all of the tactical duels. He simply wont change it due to his own beliefs in football, but his perception of that is wrong. He thinks we play attacking football when i would say we play ultra defensive football, negative football, nervous football, amateur football. Look in contrast to say Pearson. Take the 5-0 game against Hull. A team that where in titan style form crushing everyone in their path and we got turned over. If you read Pearsons remarks for all games you see stuff like this "I am embarrased,if we play like that again we will be relegated, that is reality. We never compeated and never got to grips with their game plan at all. I take full responsibility. It was my team so it was my fault. They reflect me and im not happy at all. There is losing and there is the way you lose, that was unaceptable. All i can do is say sorry to our fans and tell them i will try to put it right, starting with our next game". After that he went and got 9 points and we only ever lost by a goal after that and only conceeded 2 in a game. Now it is unfair of me to compare the two but Pearson's response is very honest and very true. You can sense the guy cares but cares so much that he will try something else if things dont work. Where as Jan to me just seems like a con artist, someone who thinks were all stupid. We have had 39 goals scored against us with 10 goals scored against us in just our last 4 games (with only 2 scored). But yet the guy keeps talking about how well were playing and that were unlucky. He should be coming out saying "yeah i fooked up, my bad" after all these poor results but more importantly looking for ways to change it. He is obviously not doing that. He just doesnt accept any of the blame and he is to blame for most of it. He lacks any decency in my view. Jan is a nice guy, he just doesnt know football, doesnt know how to be a manager in the pro leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 Now it is unfair of me to compare the two but Pearson's response is very honest and very true. this is why fans took to PEARSON, his honesty and clarity was refreshing after years of drivel from previous managers. Sadly no one has a clue what the **** Jan is taking about half the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 rubbish. You can take sides to peices and get hit on the break and lose 1-0. That does not mean you didn't play the better football. Sometimes it is just not your day. Sadly that has nto been the case with us all season. nah. sorry mate, that is just nonsense. The whole aim of the game is to score more goals than the other team. if you do then you have played better football. You shouldn't confuse having better skills, or putting more passes together in a more elegant (total?) fashion as the same thing as scoring more goals. In your scenario if the team which was hit on the break really had been playing better football how come they did not make the break and score the goal. It is precisely this sort of Prizes For All mentality which is sucking standards out of almost every competitive activity. The ONLY standard which matters in football is the number of times the football is put into the goal. Perhaps when SFC starts to realise this we might stop playing "pretty" football and start winning games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 27 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 27 December, 2008 nah. sorry mate, that is just nonsense. The whole aim of the game is to score more goals than the other team. if you do then you have played better football. You shouldn't confuse having better skills, or putting more passes together in a more elegant (total?) fashion as the same thing as scoring more goals. In your scenario if the team which was hit on the break really had been playing better football how come they did not make the break and score the goal. It is precisely this sort of Prizes For All mentality which is sucking standards out of almost every competitive activity. The ONLY standard which matters in football is the number of times the football is put into the goal. Perhaps when SFC starts to realise this we might stop playing "pretty" football and start winning games. Agreed 100%. time for plan B put the ball in the net however we can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 The bloke comes across as if he is on something bought in Amsterdam, can never understand what he is on about, the players must have the same problem. Jan sorry you are not up to the job TBH most of us could it see months ago. Time to go me old son and take the other clog wearing lads with you and you can take Lowe & Wilde as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 He's talked ****** from day 1. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 rubbish. You can take sides to peices and get hit on the break and lose 1-0. That does not mean you didn't play the better football. Sometimes it is just not your day. Sadly that has nto been the case with us all season. No, this is th mistake too many apologists make. If the other team score more goals, then they have played better football. Scoring more goals than your opponent is the be all and end all of the game of football. I agree that sometimes the better team lose, and occassionally that just has to be accepted as "part of the game". But when it happens week in week out, then it is no longer a valid excuse. If you outplay teams 6 weeks running and lose 1-0 each time, then there is something wrong, you are not playing the better football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 It is all about winning. At the moment we need to get ugly and grind out 1-0 wins. Simply, we need a new manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 Team of kids doing ok but not enough to get anything from the game. Not going to help if he slags them off, but he doesn't have much of a squad to choose from. McGoldrick is his fault, but then, I don't know how Paterson would do, so again we're really stuck for choice. hold on a mo....dont palace have a few younguns in their team (some younger than ours) with the likes of Kuqi up front (where you said you would be horrified if he was our striker)...dont wolves have a team with a load of younguns too..?? dont we have the "best academy" etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 hold on a mo....dont palace have a few younguns in their team (some younger than ours) with the likes of Kuqi up front (where you said you would be horrified if he was our striker)...dont wolves have a team with a load of younguns too..?? dont we have the "best academy" etc.. They do but play far fewer per game than we do. They have a hard core of experience that their teams are based around, a hardcore of leaders reinforced by developing youth. We have a team of developing youth with few hardcore experienced leaders ... who are rarely played anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 I agree that sometimes the better team lose, and occassionally that just has to be accepted as "part of the game". that is all I was saying. Sometimes better teams lose. I certainly am not making excuses for the current side or confusing `flatter to deceive football' for effective winning football. I don't appreciate being categorised as an apologist, I know why we are failing, but if that makes you feel superior you go right ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 It is all about winning. At the moment we need to get ugly and grind out 1-0 wins. Simply, we need a new manager. i wonder who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 December, 2008 Share Posted 27 December, 2008 that is all I was saying. Sometimes better teams lose. I certainly am not making excuses for the current side or confusing `flatter to deceive football' for effective winning football. I don't appreciate being categorised as an apologist, I know why we are failing, but if that makes you feel superior you go right ahead. I never called you an apologist, you simply read that into my comment yourself. But if the cap fits, so be it. Try growing up a little and have an adult debate rather than having a hissy fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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