Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[Sir Ralph]

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Edited Sunday at 18:17 by Sir Ralph

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Oh, stopping any genocide is a good thing. Choosing the genocides you decide to stop based on what you can exploit, is a bad thing.

Everything seems to be black and white to you...

So what is the bad thing about stopping this specific genocide then?

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

What is the bad thing about stopping this genocide then?

Potential exploitation of gas/oil/natural resources.

[Sir Ralph]

8 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Potential exploitation of gas/oil/natural resources.

This is speculative and very weak. Where is your evidence of this?

If you don’t have evidence of this, your reason for not stopping this genocide is speculative in the context of tens of thousands of lives that could be saved. 

Edited Sunday at 18:25 by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

This is speculative and very weak. Where is your evidence of this? He is not saying he will invade and control the country

He didn't invade Ukraine but he exploited them in his quest for rare earth's. He didn't invade Gaza but he's sure as hell gonna profit from that. You don't have to invade and control a country to exploit it, you realise that?

Edited Sunday at 18:27 by Farmer Saint

[Sir Ralph]

7 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

He didn't invade Ukraine but he exploited them in his quest for rare earth's. He didn't invade Gaza but he's sure as hell gonna profit for that. You don't have to invade and control a country to exploit it, you realise that?

I actually removed that comment as I agree with you in principle. However, there isn’t any evidence in relation to Nigeria. So what we agree is that he wouldn’t  need military action if he wanted ti exploit energy resources. So why then is he not using other means of control in Nigeria to gain control of energy resources as we know he doesn’t want to get involved in boots on the ground. Instead it’s more likely that he is threatening a military stance to stop radicalised militants killing people as force is the only think those nut jobs will listen to

Edited Sunday at 18:35 by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I actually removed that comment as I agree with you in principle. However, there isn’t any evidence in relation to Nigeria. So what we agree is that he wouldn’t  need military action if he wanted ti exploit energy resources. So why then is he not using other means of control in Nigeria to gain control of energy resources? Instead it’s more likely that he is threatening a military stance to stop radicalised militants killing people? 

Let's see shall we? If he cares about genocide we won't see a deal done with Nigeria, and he'll probably go into Sudan as well, agreed? 👍 

[Sir Ralph]

15 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Let's see shall we? If he cares about genocide we won't see a deal done with Nigeria, and he'll probably go into Sudan as well, agreed? 👍 

If you look at the key politicians in the US they are Christian (the US is a Christian country obviously) and a lot of the Republican voting base is also. I think a lot of the discussion about the Nigerian involvement is related to that. The issue of the killing of Nigerian Christians has been circulating as a key matter in conservative groups for a number of months. 
 

Honestly I don’t know as much about what is happening in the Sudan but I understand that this is a mix of issues. I’m not personally saying that it wouldn’t be great to stop some of the utterly awful things happening there but the reasons for Trump to have to intervene may be different. I don’t think he will. Sudan has lots of natural resources and is politically much less stable so if he did get involved somebody could allege the same reasons you have in relation to Nigeria. In fact intervention in Sudan maybe easier politically and in terms of grabbing resource, if that was the aim. Therefore I wouldn’t say a lack of intervention in Sudan would prove he is getting involved in Nigeria for economic reasons if that makes sense

 

i would like Trump to threaten military action on staple wood though if they don’t pull their fingers out😂

Edited Sunday at 18:50 by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

41 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

This is speculative....

So is crediting Trump with something that hasn't heppened, and may wel not happen. He has plenty of previous for random changes of policy direction.

Edited Sunday at 19:05 by badgerx16

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

So is crediting Trump with something that hasn't heppened, and may wel not happen.

It’s not speculative because he is starting to action it. If you read the article he’s putting political pressure so I’m crediting his work to date. Obviously if he doesn’t follow through then no.

The use of the word speculation is based on something with little or no information or evidence

Edited Sunday at 19:07 by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

If you read the article he’s putting political pressure so I’m crediting his work to date. Obviously if he doesn’t follow through then no

Donnie has always got an ulterior, generally selfish, motive.

[Sir Ralph]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Donnie has always got an ulterior, generally selfish, motive.

I don’t want to upset you but most politicians at senior levels do, even the ones you like. I can’t see what would be selfish about this though so when there is evidence I would be happy to agree with you. Until then it’s speculation 

Edited Sunday at 19:10 by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

38 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

 Instead it’s more likely that he is threatening a military stance to stop radicalised militants killing people as force is the only think those nut jobs will listen to

Threatening force against Islamic insurgents who are looking for their path to Paradise. How much :blood and treasure' did it take to pacify ISIS, ( not that they ever went away compoletely )

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I don’t want to upset you but most politicians at senior levels do, even the ones you like. I can’t see what would be selfish about this though so when there is evidence I would be happy to agree with you. Until then it’s speculation 

Donnie has his reasons;  everything he does enriches his bank balance or his ego.

[Sir Ralph]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Threatening force against Islamic insurgents who are looking for their path to Paradise. How much :blood and treasure' did it take to pacify ISIS, ( not that they ever went away compoletely )

In my opinion, thats not a good enough reason for not intervening here and trying to destroy their structures to at least reduce their capacity to kill, rape and harm. It may not solve everything but it should make it much more difficult for them

[badgerx16]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

In my opinion, thats not a good enough reason for not intervening here and trying to destroy their structures to at least reduce their capacity to kill, rape and harm. It may not solve everything but it should make it much more difficult for them

Oh, I agree. But this will not be an altruistic act, if it actually happens.

 

[Farmer Saint]

8 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

In my opinion, thats not a good enough reason for not intervening here and trying to destroy their structures to at least reduce their capacity to kill, rape and harm. It may not solve everything but it should make it much more difficult for them

If you believe someone who has never shown any reason to be believed in anything he has ever done.

[Weston Super Saint]

13 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Potential exploitation of gas/oil/natural resources.

Didn't China already exploit all that with their development fund?  Is there anything left to exploit?

[Farmer Saint]

12 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Didn't China already exploit all that with their development fund?  Is there anything left to exploit?

I think that's why Donnie is there to find out. 

Edited Monday at 07:51 by Farmer Saint

[badgerx16]

When asked about pardoning Changpeng Zhao, the crypto financier jailed for fraud and money laundering, Trump said he didn't know who he was. When pushed on the point of how it might be seen as corruption, due to the obvious connection with his sons' cryto businesses, Trump said "I would rather you didn't ask that question".

Edited Monday at 08:05 by badgerx16

[egg]

19 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Didn't China already exploit all that with their development fund?  Is there anything left to exploit?

In reality, they've invested bloody well in a resource rich country and will reap the benefits. It's far more effective than the US approach of enforcing regime change in oil rich nations, then leaving them in turmoil. 

Let's see what they do in Nigeria, but there's no way they'd have meddled if the oil and Christians weren't in the same half of the country. 

[badgerx16]

If you don't watch the whole video, watch the first 35 seconds, then from 3:05

 

 

 

[whelk]

At last some good election news. Poor Trump

[badgerx16]

50 minutes ago, whelk said:

At last some good election news. Poor Trump

Indeed, New York gives him the finger in the face of his blatant electoral interference.

What I found interesting was he didn't even back the Republican candidate in NY, he put his ( substantial ) weight behind Cuomo, who had lost the Democrat primary. 

Dems look like winning the Governerehips in Virginia and New Jersey, plus California passes Proposition 50.

A clean sweep.

[sadoldgit]

A Muslim mayor in NYC, that will rattle Trump’s chain!

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

A Muslim mayor in NYC, that will rattle Trump’s chain!

Born in Uganda of Indian heritage, and supports the Palestinians.  I'm surprised ICE haven't come for him.

[whelk]

16 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Born in Uganda of Indian heritage, and supports the Palestinians.  I'm surprised ICE haven't come for him.

I’m not sure that has been important factor in him winning. Obviously he is anti-Trump (‘his worst nightmare’) but the Democrats should not focus on race, being a Muslim, Palestine etc. He was campaigning to make New York more affordable and can think and answer on his feet so came across as genuine unlike Harris types.

Edited 11 hours ago by whelk

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, whelk said:

I’m not sure that has been important factor in him winning. Obviously he is anti-Trump (‘his worst nightmare’) but the Democrats should not focus on race, being a Muslim, Palestine etc. He was campaigning to make New York more affordable and can think and answer on his feet so came across as genuine unlike Harris types.

I agree. It was seeming genuine that was his biggest asset. If the Democrats want to appeal to the country then they need more of that (less of the commie stuff though).

[badgerx16]

3 hours ago, whelk said:

I’m not sure that has been important factor in him winning. Obviously he is anti-Trump (‘his worst nightmare’) but the Democrats should not focus on race, being a Muslim, Palestine etc. He was campaigning to make New York more affordable and can think and answer on his feet so came across as genuine unlike Harris types.

I'm sure it wasn't, but then that wasn't my point.

[Sir Ralph]

Socialist loon. The N Yorkers think it’s cool now give it a year…..

[Farmer Saint]

5 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I agree. It was seeming genuine that was his biggest asset. If the Democrats want to appeal to the country then they need more of that (less of the commie stuff though).

I'm waiting for the "he's trying to introduce Sharia law" crap that we get in London.

[whelk]

46 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Socialist loon. The N Yorkers think it’s cool now give it a year…..

Have you done as much research on him as you did your beloved Charlie Kirk?

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, whelk said:

Have you done as much research on him as you did your beloved Charlie Kirk?

No I read about his policies and he’s a 34 year old socialist. He won’t deliver on what he wants.

[whelk]

40 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I'm waiting for the "he's trying to introduce Sharia law" crap that we get in London.

Some of discussion is around how stupid it was of his opponents to be bringing up Israel all the time. He is running NY not anything else and seems like voters liked his straightforward response. 

[whelk]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

No I read about his policies and he’s a 34 year old socialist. He won’t deliver on what he wants.

Worth having a look at some of the debates. I am not saying I am staunch supporter but still a pleasing result. The average American needs some hope other than Trump and his cronies desperate to exploit and personally gain.

[Sir Ralph]

6 minutes ago, whelk said:

Worth having a look at some of the debates. I am not saying I am staunch supporter but still a pleasing result. The average American needs some hope other than Trump and his cronies desperate to exploit and personally gain.

Ok I will watch some of them.
 

His ideas seem great in principle and absolutely what people should aspire to but there is the real world scenarios. It seems that he is going to fund all his ideas through increased corporation tax and taxing the wealthy which I don’t buy. The housing stuff I’ve seen in other countries including “Sir” Sadiq in London who has made a huge balls up of it with less affordable housing as a result . I hope it works out but unfortunately I don’t think it will.

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[egg]

6 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Indeed, New York gives him the finger in the face of his blatant electoral interference.

What I found interesting was he didn't even back the Republican candidate in NY, he put his ( substantial ) weight behind Cuomo, who had lost the Democrat primary. 

Dems look like winning the Governerehips in Virginia and New Jersey, plus California passes Proposition 50.

A clean sweep.

Yep. Also worth noting that Trump had threatened to pull NYC federal funding if Mamdani won. There's nothing more democratic than some good old fashioned electorate blackmail.  

[egg]

16 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Ok I will watch some of them.
 

His ideas seem great in principle and absolutely what people should aspire to but there is the real world scenarios. It seems that he is going to fund all his ideas through increased corporation tax and taxing the wealthy which I don’t buy. The housing stuff I’ve seen in other countries including “Sir” Sadiq in London who has made a huge balls up of it with less affordable housing as a result . I hope it works out but unfortunately I don’t think it will.

If his ideas are great in principle, they should be put into practice. That takes money. Where does that come from without tax revenue? 

[sadoldgit]

51 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

No I read about his policies and he’s a 34 year old socialist. He won’t deliver on what he wants.

What does being a “35 year old socialist” have to do with anything? Trump is a 79 year old dictator but that doesn’t seem to trouble you too much.

Great speech from Mamdani. It is so good to see Democrats pushing back against Trump. We need to see more of this, not just from Newson and Mamdani. Hopefully the Democrats as a party will now show more backbone.

[The Kraken]

FIFA have just announced the new FiFA peace prize. I shit you not.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/soccer/2025/11/05/infantino-fifa-peace-prize-award-world-cup-draw/87096377007/

The inaugural award will be made in DC at the World cup draw. Now, I wonder which benevolent peace master will be the recipient of such a lofty and prestigious title.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

11 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

FIFA have just announced the new FiFA peace prize. I shit you not.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/soccer/2025/11/05/infantino-fifa-peace-prize-award-world-cup-draw/87096377007/

The inaugural award will be made in DC at the World cup draw. Now, I wonder which benevolent peace master will be the recipient of such a lofty and prestigious title.

Hilarious. They really have no shame.

[whelk]

That’s another thing Mamdami has campaigned against - FIFA’s bs dynamic pricing. 

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Socialist loon. 

Should help balance out the mysogenistic, self obsessed, racist, corrupt, fascist loon in the White House.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Should help balance out the mysogenistic, self obsessed, racist, corrupt, fascist loon in the White House.

Better dead than Red! 🙂

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, egg said:

If his ideas are great in principle, they should be put into practice. That takes money. Where does that come from without tax revenue? 

Sometimes good ideas on the face of it have consequences. NY is a pro business city until now. This sends the wrong message and I expect that, depending on the tax levels, businesses and the wealthy may move state. State built housing in recent times has often failed and you need to rely on the private sector to deliver it. I suspect the economic environment won’t be conducive to this (eg London now)

[Sir Ralph]

57 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

What does being a “35 year old socialist” have to do with anything? Trump is a 79 year old dictator but that doesn’t seem to trouble you too much.

Great speech from Mamdani. It is so good to see Democrats pushing back against Trump. We need to see more of this, not just from Newson and Mamdani. Hopefully the Democrats as a party will now show more backbone.

Socialism often fails, particularly more extreme versions. There are many examples of this. Have you looked at this guys experience?

[sadoldgit]

7 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Socialism often fails, particularly more extreme versions. There are many examples of this. Have you looked at this guys experience?

Capitalism often fails too, particularly the extreme versions. No, I haven’t. But I know all about Trump and anyone who calls Trump out for what he is, is off to a good start as far as I am concerned. If his policies work for the majority of people in NYC that has to be a good thing, right? Certainly better than Trump and his cronies enriching themselves at the expense of everyone else.

[Sir Ralph]

21 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Capitalism often fails too, particularly the extreme versions. No, I haven’t. But I know all about Trump and anyone who calls Trump out for what he is, is off to a good start as far as I am concerned. If his policies work for the majority of people in NYC that has to be a good thing, right? Certainly better than Trump and his cronies enriching themselves at the expense of everyone else.

I wouldn’t recommend getting into a discussion about socialism being more successful than capitalism, or even close to it
 

Well he hasn’t done much so isn’t sufficiently experienced for this post. Don’t deflect the guys political views and experience isn’t relevant to Trump. Would you say you are a socialist?

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[badgerx16]

25 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I wouldn’t recommend getting into a discussion about socialism being more successful than capitalism, or even close to it
 

Well he hasn’t done much so isn’t sufficiently experienced for this post. Don’t deflect the guys political views and experience isn’t relevant to Trump. Would you say you are a socialist?

How much political experience did Trump have before his first term as President ?

 

Zilch.

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[Sir Ralph]

5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

How much political experience did Trump have before his first term as President ?

 

Zilch.

Life experience. Trump has much more of it than this guy.

Edited 2 hours ago by Sir Ralph