Israel

[egg]

16 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I posted this back in December 2023. The ultimate goal has been transparent all along.

Indeed, and Trump coming to power has empowered them. That, a powerless UN, a feeble West, and no threat from Syria/Iran or it's proxies, means that they can fill their boots. 

[rallyboy]

If you're going to live in a new house on the beach in Gaza, don't be surprised if you have unwelcome visitors for the next fifty or a hundred years. The kids that are crawling out of the rubble today will be around to see you at some point.

Things they won't mention in the sales brochure.

[badgerx16]

Senior army and security officers are opposed to Netanyahu's plan, which seems to be nothing more than an attempt to keep his right wing Zionist coaltion partners onside.

I would think it signs a death sentence for any surviving hostages.

[rallyboy]

The IDF have shown scant disregard for hostage welfare from day one, I'm not even sure if the government ever had any intention of rescuing many, their actions have done nothing to suggest that those victims were in their thoughts. 

For a while now it's just been brutal war crimes, real estate planning, forced starvation and displacement, dismantling of health services, new business for the US, and ethnic cleansing - all dressed up in the tiny inadequate flak jacket of self-defence.

Once the leader has faced his delayed corruption trial, history will judge this Israeli administration.

 

[badgerx16]

466 people arrested in London for carrying hand written signs.

[AlexLaw76]

11 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

466 people arrested in London for carrying hand written signs.

It's kind of like saying people sent to jail for 30+ months for a single (deleted) tweet

[ecuk268]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

466 people arrested in London for carrying hand written signs.

You can see where this is going.

Next time it'll be twice as many demonstrators with signs. There's a limit to how many arrests the police can make and it'll be dragging through the courts for ages.

[whelk]

1 minute ago, ecuk268 said:

You can see where this is going.

Next time it'll be twice as many demonstrators with signs. There's a limit to how many arrests the police can make and it'll be dragging through the courts for ages.

Water cannon the fuckers

[egg]

7 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

It's kind of like saying people sent to jail for 30+ months for a single (deleted) tweet

Yeah, I mean, suggesting that people go and burn down a hotel full of people is perfectly acceptable if you subsequently delete the tweet. Or something. 

[sadoldgit]

8 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

It's kind of like saying people sent to jail for 30+ months for a single (deleted) tweet

It’s absolutely nothing like inciting people to burn down hotels with people inside them. Other than that, spot on Batman.

[Gloucester Saint]

8 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

It's kind of like saying people sent to jail for 30+ months for a single (deleted) tweet

She was lucky - she deserved double that. Inciting a crowd of coked up football casuals, EDL and other accompanying idiots to torch a hotel could’ve led to hundreds of fatalities including British hotel staff, I will add.

[Wiggles31]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yll33v9gwo
 

This cunt. Couldn’t give a shit about hostages. Using the Trump rhetoric of fake news. 
 

We should follow suit if the Germans and suspend any arms going to Israel. 
 

 

[Wiggles31]

48 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

She was lucky - she deserved double that. Inciting a crowd of coked up football casuals, EDL and other accompanying idiots to torch a hotel could’ve led to hundreds of fatalities including British hotel staff, I will add.

Yeah she can go fuck herself. 

[Farmer Saint]

21 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

It's kind of like saying people sent to jail for 30+ months for a single (deleted) tweet

That's some mental gymnastics to be able to compare the two of them, congrats.

[AlexLaw76]

13 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

It’s absolutely nothing like inciting people to burn down hotels with people inside them. Other than that, spot on Batman.

She never incited anything 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

That's some mental gymnastics to be able to compare the two of them, congrats.

Agree, but equally ludicrous 

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

Agree, but equally ludicrous 

I wouldn't say putting someone in prison who was inciting people to burn down a hotel as ludicrous.

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

I wouldn't say putting someone in prison who was inciting people to burn down a hotel as ludicrous.

Did she incite anyone? 

 

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Did she incite anyone? 

 

Slightly irrelevant - she's inciting violence, civil disobedience, vandalism and potentially death to a number of people. In any society that has to be punished.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Slightly irrelevant - she's inciting violence, civil disobedience, vandalism and potentially death to a number of people. In any society that has to be punished.

And those in London are supporting a terrorist organisation. 

 

Edited Monday at 07:31 by AlexLaw76

[Farmer Saint]

11 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

And those in London are supporting a terrorist organisation. 

 

Ok. What's your point? If you were comparing them to Just Stop Oil protestors I'd agree...

It's like comparing ABH with Speeding, they're completely different misdemeanours.

Edited Monday at 07:43 by Farmer Saint

[badgerx16]

"I actually believe that if 7 October taught us one thing it is, if you really care about protecting Israelis and Palestinian life, you need to take care of the root causes of the violence: decades of brutal military occupation, displacement of Palestinians and a conflict that is going on for about 100 years.

"Ultimately, the security protection, the sustainability of Jewish self-determination in this land, is interlinked and intertwined with achieving self-determination rights and equality for Palestinians."

Israeli opponent of West Bank settlement expansion....

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4wwxz12jko

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

And those in London are supporting a terrorist organisation. 

 

If they had just written "I oppose genocide, I support Palestine".would they have been breaking the law ? 

The point of the protest was not to support terrorism, it was to challenge a ridiculous piece of legislation. Do you think Palestine Action should be grouped with the Continuity IRA and HAMAS ? The main reason PA were proscribed is because they embarassed the MOD.

Edited Monday at 08:40 by badgerx16

[egg]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

"I actually believe that if 7 October taught us one thing it is, if you really care about protecting Israelis and Palestinian life, you need to take care of the root causes of the violence: decades of brutal military occupation, displacement of Palestinians and a conflict that is going on for about 100 years.

"Ultimately, the security protection, the sustainability of Jewish self-determination in this land, is interlinked and intertwined with achieving self-determination rights and equality for Palestinians."

Israeli opponent of West Bank settlement expansion....

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4wwxz12jko

Yep. It shouldn't be difficult to understand that both the Israelis and Palestinians should each have their own land/state, and an equal right to self determination.

Throughout this "war", we've constantly had it said that the Palestinians don't support an Israeli state without 1) correction that Hamas are not all Palestinians, and 2) the Israeli government don't support a Palestinian state, and seemingly, nor do must Israeli's. 

There's no easy solution to this, but one possible solution would be for Israel plus the US to say that an independent Palestinian state is agreed in principle, and that sensible discussion can begin once Hamas are removed. That'll never happen though as neither will ever support a Palestinian state. 

[egg]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

And those in London are supporting a terrorist organisation. 

 

You've got to a bit of an imbecile to make an equivalence between someone encouraging the burning of a hotel housing foreign people with an old Doris wanting to see the brutality in Gaza end.

Or someone who has no issue with people being burnt alive or the brutality in Gaza continuing. 

 

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, egg said:

You've got to a bit of an imbecile to make an equivalence between someone encouraging the burning of a hotel housing foreign people with an old Doris wanting to see the brutality in Gaza end.

Or someone who has no issue with people being burnt alive or the brutality in Gaza continuing. 

 

It is not me supporting a terrorist organisation, or made them one

is it not possible to support those in Gaza without supporting a terrorist organisation?
 

Edited Monday at 09:46 by AlexLaw76

[egg]

32 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

It is not me supporting a terrorist organisation, or made them one

is it not possible to support those in Gaza without supporting a terrorist organisation?
 

Of course it is. 

It's also possible to ask yourself, is a proscribed terrorist organisation who don't actually do any terrorist stuff, actually a terrorist organisation. 

None of that takes away from the fact that you fail to recognise the seriousness of encouraging the burning of buildings housing migrants. Do you really think that doing that is less serious (or no more serious) than holding up a Palestine Action placard? 

Edited Monday at 10:16 by egg

[AlexLaw76]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

Of course it is. 

It's also possible to ask yourself, is a proscribed terrorist organisation who don't actually do any terrorist stuff, actually a terrorist organisation. 

None of that takes away from the fact that you fail to recognise the seriousness of encouraging the burning of buildings housing migrants. Do you really think that doing that is less serious (or no more serious) than holding up a Palestine Action placard? 

I think tweeting your own thoughts and not particularly encouraging other, and deleting it, does not warren t over 2 years in prison .

likewise, waving a placard with inoffensive comments does not warrant being arrested

as for the point they “do not do terrorist stuff”, the Home Secretary is telling us we, the public, are not informed of their threats and intention.

are Labour lying to us?

[badgerx16]

19 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I think tweeting your own thoughts and not particularly encouraging other, and deleting it, does not warren t over 2 years in prison .

likewise, waving a placard with inoffensive comments does not warrant being arrested

as for the point they “do not do terrorist stuff”, the Home Secretary is telling us we, the public, are not informed of their threats and intention.

are Labour lying to us?

All Governments lie to us. 

If they want to avoid the negative publicity around stunts like the placard protest, they can release some of their allegations to public scrutiny. From what I can find, PA have broken some windows and sprayed a lot of red paint. On that basis, why aren't Just Stop Oil proscribed ?

In the first prosecution of PA the Judge instructed the jury to return a not guilty verdict;

https://gardencourtchambers.co.uk/jury-acquits-palestine-action-activists-on-defences-of-necessity-and-protection-of-property/

[sadoldgit]

6 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

She never incited anything 

Read this Batman. She actually admitted inciting violence. Still trying to pretend it isn’t an issue and more serious to holding up a placard?

https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/updated-sentence-childminder-admits-inciting-racial-hatred-over-social-media-post

Does holding up a placard saying that you don’t agree that something is a terrorist organisation make you a terrorist?

Is the Government lying to us? Yvette Cooper is saying that she has evidence that Palestine Action are planning far more extreme activities and that is why they have been described as a terrorist organisation. I believe that there is a legal appeal pending as to as whether they are actually a terrorist organisation. If she has the evidence to prove that they are, then they clearly are not lying to us. If they pose the threat of terrorists I doubt if you will see so many people taking to the streets in support of them. It is a shame that we are having this discussion and that there are still people who get more agitated about these demonstrations yet don’t seem to give a shit about the innocent people being murdered or staved in Gaza and the Wear Bank.

 

Anyone would think that you are anti- Palestinian and pro far right agitators 😉

Edited Monday at 13:33 by sadoldgit

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I think tweeting your own thoughts and not particularly encouraging other, and deleting it, does not warren t over 2 years in prison .

likewise, waving a placard with inoffensive comments does not warrant being arrested

as for the point they “do not do terrorist stuff”, the Home Secretary is telling us we, the public, are not informed of their threats and intention.

are Labour lying to us?

I wouldn’t engage buddy. There are 3-4 on here who have created their own politically one sided echo chamber.  They all back each other and “heart” one another’s statements. There is no intention of learning or listening to each other 
 

Edited Monday at 11:36 by Sir Ralph

[tdmickey3]

7 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I wouldn’t engage buddy. There are 3-4 on here who have created their own politically one sided echo chamber.  They all back each other and “heart” one another’s statements. There is no intention of learning or listening to each other 
 

How`s the holiday going mate or is that bullshit as well

Up the saints

[AlexLaw76]

8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Read this Batman. She actually admitted inciting violence. Still trying to pretend it isn’t an issue and more serious to holding up a placard?

https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/updated-sentence-childminder-admits-inciting-racial-hatred-over-social-media-post

And according to the law, those arrested in London are wilfully supporting a terrorist organisation.
 

 

[badgerx16]

23 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I wouldn’t engage buddy. There are 3-4 on here who have created their own politically one sided echo chamber.  They all back each other and “heart” one another’s statements. There is no intention of learning or listening to each other 
 

Given the proliferation of laughing emojis posted by you, I'm not sure you are committed to serious debate. Perhaps you're related to nutty Nic.

[Sir Ralph]

7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Given the proliferation of laughing emojis posted by you, I'm not sure you are committed to serious debate. Perhaps you're related to nutty Nic.

Enjoy your day 

Edited Monday at 12:03 by Sir Ralph

[egg]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I think tweeting your own thoughts and not particularly encouraging other, and deleting it, does not warren t over 2 years in prison .

likewise, waving a placard with inoffensive comments does not warrant being arrested

as for the point they “do not do terrorist stuff”, the Home Secretary is telling us we, the public, are not informed of their threats and intention.

are Labour lying to us?

I thought you were vaguely sensible mate, but clearly not. 

On any sensible assessment, tweeting about the whereabouts of asylum seekers, and suggesting that people burn the place where they are staying, is abhorrent and bloody dangerous. On the other hand, an old Doris waving a placard supporting an end to what's happening in Gaza, doesn't feel like it'd to the barbaric death of people - on the assumption that you disagree with that, kindly explain the risk to life that waving a placard will bring. 

 

[Sir Ralph]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

I thought you were vaguely sensible mate, but clearly not. 

On any sensible assessment, tweeting about the whereabouts of asylum seekers, and suggesting that people burn the place where they are staying, is abhorrent and bloody dangerous. On the other hand, an old Doris waving a placard supporting an end to what's happening in Gaza, doesn't feel like it'd to the barbaric death of people - on the assumption that you disagree with that, kindly explain the risk to life that waving a placard will bring. 

 

“I thought you were vaguely sensible mate, but clearly not.”

Welcome to the antifa echo chamber. You are only “sensible” if you agree with them.

 

 

[badgerx16]

9 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Enjoy your day 

The Sun is shining in God's own county,  so I shall.

Peace and love.

UTS.

[egg]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

“I thought you were vaguely sensible mate, but clearly not.”

Welcome to the antifa echo chamber. You are only “sensible” if you agree with them.

 

 

Fuck off Nic. 

One of you was bad enough. 

[Sir Ralph]

18 minutes ago, egg said:

Fuck off Nic. 

One of you was bad enough. 

What I said was true - if someone doesn’t agree with you then you say they are stupid. That’s an echo chamber. Thanks for proving my point

Edited Monday at 12:33 by Sir Ralph

[tdmickey3]

18 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

What I said was true - if someone doesn’t agree with you then you say they are stupid. That’s an echo chamber

Is that the daily echo?

Edited Monday at 12:38 by tdmickey3

[tdmickey3]

Well` you are stupid

[Sir Ralph]

6 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Well` you are stupid

Thanks for proving my point again. I’m stupid cause I don’t agree with you. It’s the usual 4 suspects replying with the usual. It’s a great echo chamber for you guys. Night night

Edited Monday at 12:44 by Sir Ralph

[tdmickey3]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Thanks for proving my point again. I’m stupid cause I don’t agree with you. It’s the usual 4 suspects replying with the usual. It’s a great echo chamber for you guys 

not at all mate you have been shown up for being stupid, all your own work absolutely nothing to do with opinion

Edited Monday at 12:45 by tdmickey3

[Sir Ralph]

8 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

not at all mate you have been shown up for being stupid, all your own work absolutely nothing to do with opinion

So what you have written is fact it’s not an opinion. Delusional 

Edited Monday at 12:53 by Sir Ralph

[AlexLaw76]

44 minutes ago, egg said:

I thought you were vaguely sensible mate, but clearly not. 

On any sensible assessment, tweeting about the whereabouts of asylum seekers, and suggesting that people burn the place where they are staying, is abhorrent and bloody dangerous. On the other hand, an old Doris waving a placard supporting an end to what's happening in Gaza, doesn't feel like it'd to the barbaric death of people - on the assumption that you disagree with that, kindly explain the risk to life that waving a placard will bring. 

 

Old Doris that got arrested is wilfully supporting a terrorist organisation.

not my opinion. 

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Old Doris that got arrested is wilfully supporting a terrorist organisation.

not my opinion. 

Perhaps Mr Bumble was right, "the Law is an ass".

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Old Doris that got arrested is wilfully supporting a terrorist organisation.

not my opinion. 

"Not my words Carol, the words of Top Gear magazine".

[swannymere]

6 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Did she incite anyone? 

 

 You know she did, do you crave attention that much?

[east-stand-nic]

20 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

It’s absolutely nothing like inciting people to burn down hotels with people inside them. Other than that, spot on Batman.

But Muslim protestors burning the bible and chanting death to infidels and soldiers is ok, yes? 

It's ok....as ever I know you will not answer that and instead just try to berate and call names etc. I am just showing you up for the hypocritical pious old racist that you are.