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[AlexLaw76]

Just now, LuckyNumber7 said:

I'm absolutely not a fan of any religion, the world would be far better off without all of them. But Islam is by far the most backwards and hostile.

Tbh, given the prevalence of guns in the US, it's amazing there isn't more gun violence. 

Now imagine if every muslim in Europe had easy access to gun ownership. That really is a scary thought.

No one would dare do very dangerous and sinister things like draw pictures of the great Prophet. 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

No one would dare do very dangerous and sinister things like draw pictures of the great Prophet. 

A couple of years ago I had a casual conversation with a couple of people I know who are just normal British people who happen to be Muslim. We got onto the subject of the attack on Salman Rushdie and I was genuinely shocked that both of them felt he was responsible for the attack on his life. I'd be interested to know what percentage of UK Muslims felt that way because I'd wager it was higher than others in the country.

[Sheaf Saint]

24 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

 

What are your thoughts on this?

Why don't the Met go one step further and ask all the London football clubs to cancel their matches this weekend as well if they are that concerned about resources? 

We're at a very dark point in our history when people wanting to gather peacefully to hold up some placards as part of a campaign against an unjust and, frankly, ridiculous legal ruling are being singled out by the police on Twitter and being described as 'choosing to encourage mass law breaking'.

Whether you support Palestine Action or not, this is something that should concern us all.

Edited Friday at 12:29 by Sheaf Saint

[badgerx16]

24 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

 

What are your thoughts on this?

If PA hadn't been proscribed it would be much less of an issue. That decision has made the Met's job much much harder.

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

A couple of years ago I had a casual conversation with a couple of people I know who are just normal British people who happen to be Muslim. We got onto the subject of the attack on Salman Rushdie and I was genuinely shocked that both of them felt he was responsible for the attack on his life. I'd be interested to know what percentage of UK Muslims felt that way because I'd wager it was higher than others in the country.

A bit like Charlie Kirk that example.

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Why weren't they called Islamic rape gangs? Genuine question here.

Are you suggesting that for many their interpretation of Islam didn't act as a motivator for these types of crimes? It was cultural as well as religious as evidenced by Islamic verses being shouted at some of the victims as well as other evidence that I can't remember and can't be bothered to look up. The reason they have mostly been referred to as grooming gangs until recently was because some people were squeamish about calling it out for what it is and didn't want people to blame all Pakistanis or all Muslims which I can understand but clearly their interpretation of Islam as well as other cultural aspects has played a part in what happened. 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

A bit like Charlie Kirk that example.

These are reasonable moderate people who were born in the UK that no one would describe as extremist at all yet they both blamed Rushdie for putting himself in that position which really surprised me. 

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

If PA hadn't been proscribed it would be much less of an issue. That decision has made the Met's job much much harder.

If you were the organiser of the event what would you do in response to the tweet from the police?

[iansums]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Are you afraid of the Home Secretary ? She is, after all, Muslim.

You’re taking things too literally 

[Farmer Saint]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Are you suggesting that for many their interpretation of Islam didn't act as a motivator for these types of crimes? It was cultural as well as religious as evidenced by Islamic verses being shouted at some of the victims as well as other evidence that I can't remember and can't be bothered to look up. The reason they have mostly been referred to as grooming gangs until recently was because some people were squeamish about calling it out for what it is and didn't want people to blame all Pakistanis or all Muslims which I can understand but clearly their interpretation of Islam as well as other cultural aspects has played a part in what happened. 

Literally not suggesting anything, just asking why they were called "Pakistani" and not "Islamic". That's why I said it was a genuine question.

I genuinely don't know the teachings of the Prophet, let alone how some people interpret them, but I guess that's the same with Catholicism as clearly there must be some fucking dodgy interpretations of the bible for them to have so many problems.

Edited Friday at 12:43 by Farmer Saint

[Farmer Saint]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

These are reasonable moderate people who were born in the UK that no one would describe as extremist at all yet they both blamed Rushdie for putting himself in that position which really surprised me. 

Absolutely, Charlie Kirk is the same - he put himself into that position. All it needs is one nutter.

[Farmer Saint]

8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If you were the organiser of the event what would you do in response to the tweet from the police?

Ask them to move police from football matches in the capital?

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Literally not suggesting anything, just asking why they were called "Pakistani" and not "Islamic". That's why I said it was a genuine question.

I genuinely don't know the teachings of the Prophet, let alone how some people interpret them, but I guess that's the same with Catholicism as clearly there must be some fucking dodgy interpretations of the bible for them to have so many problems.

I know some bits but I don't think you have to know to recognise the problem. I don't actually give a shit about some made up religion. If we had extremist Sikh's indulging in industrial rape of working class girls and then being covered up for fear of upsetting the Sikh community then I'd be equally upset. The Islamic religion or indeed Muslims generally -unless they had some part in it or the cover up or facilitation- aren't very relevant either. What I care about is sick fucks committing their terror attacks in the name of their dodgy religion and unfortunately there appears to be an awful lot more of them coming from Islam than any other religion. I think our country can do more to combat it. I think prisons should be looked at more closely, extremism coming from Islamic faith schools, clubs outside of schools and the ideology from some mosques. Dealing with all of that would be a start as well as getting rid of those who have committed or supported backwards views and don't have a right to be here.

Edited Friday at 12:52 by hypochondriac

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Absolutely, Charlie Kirk is the same - he put himself into that position. All it needs is one nutter.

So you should be cowed by the mob and allow terrorists to win? You shouldn't engage in lawful speech in public lest you be butchered by an extremist nutter? 

[iansums]

In other news, absolute chaos here at Bournemouth Airport, I can’t even blame Muslims!

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I know some buts but I don't think you have to know to recognise the problem. I don't actually give a shit about some made up religion. If we had extremist Sikh's indulging in industrial rape of working class girls and then being covered up for fear of upsetting the Sikh community then I'd be equally upset. The Islamic religion or indeed Muslims generally -unless they had some part in it or the cover up or facilitation- aren't very relevant either. What I care about is sick fucks committing their terror attacks in the name of their dodgy religion and unfortunately there appears to be an awful lot more of the coming from Islam than any other religion. I think our country can do more to combat it. I think prisons should be looked at more closely, extremism coming from Islamic faith schools, clubs outside of schools and the ideology from some mosques. Dealing with all of that would be a start as well as getting rid of those who have committed or supported backwards views and don't have a right to be here.

That's odd, because you don't seem particularly bothered about it here:

https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/topic/61179-welby-and-christian-child-abuse/

[The Kraken]

1 minute ago, iansums said:

In other news, absolute chaos here at Bournemouth Airport, I can’t even blame Muslims!

If you fancy a drink but get put off by the big queue in the bar, go to the cafe next door to it. They’ve got Cruzcampo on draught.

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

So you should be cowed by the mob and allow terrorists to win? You shouldn't engage in lawful speech in public lest you be butchered by an extremist nutter? 

No, but you're putting yourself in that position and increasing your risk, that's all. You have to accept that if you say controversial things and are in the public eye then you are opening yourself up to nutters.

[iansums]

Just now, The Kraken said:

If you fancy a drink but get put off by the big queue in the bar, go to the cafe next door to it. They’ve got Cruzcampo on draught.

Sat in the main area with a Moretti, quicker to order on the app. Massive change to a year ago with Jet2 now flying from here, they will need to sort it out.

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

That's odd, because you don't seem particularly bothered about it here:

https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/topic/61179-welby-and-christian-child-abuse/

Have a little think about the author of the post and why that particular agenda and poster may provoke a different reaction than others might. Not exactly a gotcha either is it.

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Have a little think about the author of the post and why that particular agenda and poster may provoke a different reaction than others might. Not exactly a gotcha either is it.

😂

That's fine, you only care about non-homegrown paedophiles.

Edited Friday at 13:04 by Farmer Saint

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

No, but you're putting yourself in that position and increasing your risk, that's all. You have to accept that if you say controversial things and are in the public eye then you are opening yourself up to nutters.

There's a while host of things you coukd conceivably do that coukd increase your risk of death or injury as you well know. The point is that the blame should not be on the victim if some nutter decides to kill you for your speech. In exactly the same way as if some right wing nutter decided to kill Corbyn because of his disagreement over some of his views. I wouldn't be saying essentially that Corbyn needs to take some responsibility for saying things that people disagree with in public. He's perfectly entitled to do so in a free society.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

😂

That's fine, you only care about non-homegrown paedophiles.

A pathetic and unevidenced claim. What a shame as I thought you were looking to engage seriously rather than just troll.

[iansums]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

No it isn't a made up word and if you know “plenty about the history of the conflict” as you say, why not display some of that knowledge, pal? Look up Christophobia and Hinduphobia too.

At the moment you just sound like an apologist for Netanyahu and genocide.

You have an issue about Islam and it being “medieval.” Where do you stand on the practice of male genital mutilation (or circumcision as it is widely known)? Would you class that practice as “medieval” too or are you only interested in dissing one religion? There is plenty to criticise in other religions if you can be bothered to look.

You and people like you are why we are where we are today. You stoke and thrive on division and hatred. Whether you target Muslims, Jews, Christians, Sikhs, people with brown or black skin, gays, trans people etc., it all comes from the same place. You are proud of being a bigot. Little wonder you follow Farage and his ilk.

3 people died in the incident in Manchester yesterday. 53 people were killed in Gaza yesterday. 56 lives lost, and for what?

 

Good to see you’ve finally made it out of bed. Thank you for your post, now I can add ‘bigot’ to the list. I’m not sure my posts on a football forum are stoking division but hey ho, so be it. You really do hate people with a different point of view.

[Farmer Saint]

14 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

There's a while host of things you coukd conceivably do that coukd increase your risk of death or injury as you well know. The point is that the blame should not be on the victim if some nutter decides to kill you for your speech. In exactly the same way as if some right wing nutter decided to kill Corbyn because of his disagreement over some of his views. I wouldn't be saying essentially that Corbyn needs to take some responsibility for saying things that people disagree with in public. He's perfectly entitled to do so in a free society.

So did your Muslim friends said he was fully responsible for his death then? It may just be semantics.

[Farmer Saint]

16 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

A pathetic and unevidenced claim. What a shame as I thought you were looking to engage seriously rather than just troll.

I was being facetious, but considering how strongly you feel about the Pakistani Grooming Gangs you seemed to not give a shit about paedophiles in the Christian Church.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

So did your Muslim friends said he was fully responsible for his death then? It may just be semantics.

They essentially said he deserved what happened to him because of what he did. They weren't directly calling for his death but they didn't blame the attacker either.

 

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

I was being facetious, but considering how strongly you feel about the Pakistani Grooming Gangs you seemed to not give a shit about paedophiles in the Christian Church.

I don't give a shit about soggy starting a thread solely designed to push an agenda. My response had nothing at all to do with child sexual abuse perpetrated by followers of catholicism which is obviously disgusting.

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

They essentially said he deserved what happened to him because of what he did. They weren't directly calling for his death but they didn't blame the attacker either.

 

I don't give a shit about soggy starting a thread solely designed to push an agenda. My response had nothing at all to do with child sexual abuse perpetrated by followers of catholicism which is obviously disgusting.

Isn't the archbishop C of E?

[Whitey Grandad]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Isn't the archbishop C of E?

Is the Pope Catholic?

[iansums]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

A couple of years ago I had a casual conversation with a couple of people I know who are just normal British people who happen to be Muslim. We got onto the subject of the attack on Salman Rushdie and I was genuinely shocked that both of them felt he was responsible for the attack on his life. I'd be interested to know what percentage of UK Muslims felt that way because I'd wager it was higher than others in the country.

This is very interesting, if you mock Islam, you get the Charlie Hesbo attack, if you mock Christianity you get Malcolm Muggeridge having a hissy fit.

[hypochondriac]

38 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Isn't the archbishop C of E?

Fair enough I wasn't paying attention but the point still applies.

[iansums]

And so it turns out the attackers father, a surgeon who expresses profound shock at yesterday’s events, celebrated the October 7th attacks. What a bunch of cunts they are.

[hypochondriac]

15 minutes ago, iansums said:

And so it turns out the attackers father, a surgeon who expresses profound shock at yesterday’s events, celebrated the October 7th attacks. What a bunch of cunts they are.

Edit: found it 

Edited Friday at 14:30 by hypochondriac

[AlexLaw76]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Where is that?

https://www.facebook.com/share/19qiPcqLXm/?mibextid=wwXIfr

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Edit: found it 

How did this guy get into the country? Was he given British citizenship? If he posted this on October 7th why was he not immediately under investigation? Clearly his views have had an impact on his son.

[hypochondriac]

Does this refer to something else or did he know what was going to happen?

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Does this refer to something else or did he know what was going to happen?

Digital ID would have prevented this

[AlexLaw76]

 Is it is emerging that the Terrorist has been sending death threats to MPs since as early as 2012

 

 

[Farmer Saint]

And herein lies the issue - extremists. 

I wonder when they came over?

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 Is it is emerging that the Terrorist has been sending death threats to MPs since as early as 2012

 

 

If so, this sounds like a systematic failure of the police/intelligence services.

[AlexLaw76]

9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

And herein lies the issue - extremists. 

I wonder when they came over?

And wonder why (well, it is obvious) they are allowed to remain.

Reform will pull further away in the polls then

then there is this today. No shame, nothing. They know they are untouchable, nothing will happen what so ever. No wonder they think we are fucked across the pond.
 

 

Edited Friday at 14:56 by AlexLaw76

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

And herein lies the issue - extremists. 

I wonder when they came over?

A particular type of extremist that seemingly hates Jews and appears to be influenced by his father to hate Jews. I wonder what extremist ideology it was that caused him to hate Jews to the extent that he'd want to go out and murder them? I wonder why so many of these types of extremist attacks are committed by the sons of foreign born parents from particular regions?

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

And herein lies the issue - extremists. 

I wonder when they came over?

Sounds like it was under a Blair government.

[Farmer Saint]

32 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

And wonder why (well, it is obvious) they are allowed to remain.

Reform will pull further away in the polls then

then there is this today. No shame, nothing. They know they are untouchable, nothing will happen what so ever. No wonder they think we are fucked across the pond.
 

 

I don't think taking opinions of the American's is really the win you think it is...but yes, people like that shouldn't remain in the UK - it's very similar to those inciting others to burn down immigrant hotels.

Edited Friday at 15:19 by Farmer Saint

[Farmer Saint]

25 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

A particular type of extremist that seemingly hates Jews and appears to be influenced by his father to hate Jews. I wonder what extremist ideology it was that caused him to hate Jews to the extent that he'd want to go out and murder them? I wonder why so many of these types of extremist attacks are committed by the sons of foreign born parents from particular regions?

Well, I'm not sure if it was teachings in the Qaran as I presume that probably pre-dates a lot of these issues?

[Farmer Saint]

26 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Sounds like it was under a Blair government.

Pre or post 9/11? Sounds like probably via legal immigration rather than refugees?

[east-stand-nic]

42 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

And wonder why (well, it is obvious) they are allowed to remain.

Reform will pull further away in the polls then

then there is this today. No shame, nothing. They know they are untouchable, nothing will happen what so ever. No wonder they think we are fucked across the pond.
 

 

Will they be treated the same as Lucy Connolly I wonder? 🤔 

[hypochondriac]

16 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Well, I'm not sure if it was teachings in the Qaran as I presume that probably pre-dates a lot of these issues?

There's no mention of Jews in the Qaran?

[hypochondriac]

19 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Pre or post 9/11? Sounds like probably via legal immigration rather than refugees?

Firstly why have we not been more selective taking people from countries that we know statistically are much higher risk? Secondly when we see disgusting posts like his father's is he not then monitored with a view to possibly removing the threat back to Syria where he came from?

[Farmer Saint]

20 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

There's no mention of Jews in the Qaran?

Literally no idea, it's why I'm asking. As I said earlier I have never read it.