The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[Farmer Saint]

Glad to see I'm still living rent free in  @Weston Super Saint head...

 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

I forgot about that - You mean this one? 

Yep, that's the one.

Must have been missing you 😘

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Yep, that's the one.

Must have been missing you 😘

I feel privileged to be off his hit list - it’s a big day for me. 😆

[badgerx16]

Local Government has been 'squeezed' financially for the last 15 years, how much more waste and inefficiency do people think there is ?

[Farmer Saint]

25 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Local Government has been 'squeezed' financially for the last 15 years, how much more waste and inefficiency do people think there is ?

There is probably quite a lot, but it's the opportunity cost of more resources and a better service vs operational inefficiencies.

I see @Sir Ralph is struggling with the question I asked him. Just a list Ralph, that's all I want. Don't need justifications.

Edited September 2 by Farmer Saint

[whelk]

48 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Well they are about to balls things up so I suspect at some point somebody will have to cut public services again (whether this government or the next one) to fix the problems Labour hasn’t created. 
 

The issue is they haven’t really even tried to address the inefficiencies. They have just massively increased day to day public sector spending. It’s like taking over a company, seeing there are inefficiencies but just giving the business more money to significantly increase wages, without really tackling the inefficiencies.

I’m happy to pay more tax if the government isn’t just going to waste it. Currently there is too much waste and Labour hasn’t addressed it. To busy hoping that taxing businesses and rich people will be politically more popular.

You say selfish I say sensible. If you already pay multiples in tax compared to  the average citizen and keep being asked to pay more. Leave until you have a more friendly government. Why spend half your day working for the government to take it and waste it. But that’s all rubbish anyway because nobody is leaving and the economy is booming!

Wes Streeting is doing more to address than previous Health ministers but feels like you don’t do any detail or research widely jsut entrenched view of ‘Labour will always do this… ‘ There are people willing to feed you information that all taxes are wasted always - you like to talk about echo chambers but it doesn’t feel like you get your information and opinions challenged - Saintweb excepted.

Honestly it is laughable that you think just by saying inefficiencies you have some sort of solution in asking why are these not addressed. That has been the constant mantra for 20 years. I actually agree it isn’t a case of throwing cash into money pits with no change in approach. But it isn’t simple to address,  although no doubt some Tufton Street consultant will suggest cutting out free NHS cancer care to children. Not too far fetched as similar was suggested to Truss when she needlessly broke the economy.
 

 

 

[whelk]

36 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Local Government has been 'squeezed' financially for the last 15 years, how much more waste and inefficiency do people think there is ?

also these places lose good people as feel no positive future having to ‘do more with less’. Some of the social care recruits would have never got jobs previously so inadvertently de-skilled the sector too.

Going to waste billions restructuring it as well with break even date of 2085.

 

Edited September 2 by whelk

[Sir Ralph]

7 minutes ago, whelk said:

Wes Streeting is doing more to address than previous Health ministers but feels like you don’t do any detail or research widely jsut entrenched view of ‘Labour will always do this… ‘ There are people willing to feed you information that all taxes are wasted always - you like to talk about echo chambers but it doesn’t feel like you get your information and opinions challenged - Saintweb excepted.

Honestly it is laughable that you think just by saying inefficiencies you have some sort of solution in asking why are these not addressed. That has been the constant mantra for 20 years. I actually agree it isn’t a case of throwing cash into money pits with no change in approach. But it isn’t simple to address,  although no doubt some Tufton Street consultant will suggest cutting out free NHS cancer care to children. Not too far fetched as similar was suggested to Truss when she needlessly broke the economy.
 

 

 

I agree with you Wes Sweeting is doing a good job and I rate him. I also agree with much of what you just said. I dont think its a simple case of just cutting everything but I dont think Labour has got the balance right which was reflected in its significant increase in spending without making some of the hard decisions. Predictably this is now what is causing the problems we are witnessing now.

We all also speak from our experience. Whilst I work in the private sector, I also work alongside the public sector in some instances and I see inefficiencies and unnecessary beau acracy which informs my views.

Edited September 2 by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

17 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

There is probably quite a lot, but it's the opportunity cost of more resources and a better service vs operational inefficiencies.

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I was cut in the third round of staff reductions in 5 years, an exercise in specifically reducing head count. Almost all of the duties I was carrying out had to be outsourced as there was nobody internal capable of doing them, and net, therefore, there was zero cost saving.

[Farmer Saint]

37 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I agree with you Wes Sweeting is doing a good job and I rate him. I also agree with much of what you just said. I dont think its a simple case of just cutting everything but I dont think Labour has got the balance right which was reflected in its significant increase in spending without making some of the hard decisions. Predictably this is now what is causing the problems we are witnessing now.

We all also speak from our experience. Whilst I work in the private sector, I also work alongside the public sector in some instances and I see inefficiencies and unnecessary beau acracy which informs my views.

What examples do you have of inefficiencies and unnecessary bureaucracy in the public equivalent of your industry?

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

What examples do you have of inefficiencies and unnecessary bureaucracy in the public equivalent of your industry?

In my experience, a lot of external 'experts' brought in to implement new IT systems were no more capable than our internal staff, they were just better paid and less overworked.

Edited September 2 by badgerx16

[whelk]

39 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I was cut in the third round of staff reductions in 5 years, an exercise in specifically reducing head count. Almost all of the duties I was carrying out had to be outsourced as there was nobody internal capable of doing them, and net, therefore, there was zero cost saving.

And if one thing outsourcers are good at it is fleecing the public purse

Edited September 2 by whelk

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, whelk said:

And if one thing outsourcers are good at it is fleecing the public purse

But they are more efficient, apparently.

[whelk]

3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

But they are more efficient, apparently.

The management who initiate are rarely around to take the consequences either - so much short-termism in organisations and often lack the wisdom to question the folly (often) of stupid decisions 

[Whitey Grandad]

22 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

But they are more efficient, apparently.

They fleece it more efficiently. 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

They fleece it more efficiently. 

Trouble is, it's not even the 'good' contract workers as the public sector contractors typically get paid about 20% less than private sector. So you end up paying more for sometimes less capability.

[Farmer Saint]

15 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

What examples do you have of inefficiencies and unnecessary bureaucracy in the public equivalent of your industry?

@Sir Ralph Are you going to give us some examples, or this this another Dubai debacle?

[Sir Ralph]

34 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

@Sir Ralph Are you going to give us some examples, or this this another Dubai debacle?

😆

[Weston Super Saint]

44 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

@Sir Ralph Are you going to give us some examples, or this this another Dubai debacle?

#obsessed

[Sir Ralph]

What the Government should be doing today is bringing the budget forward and confirming how they have a sound fiscal plan, including reducing public expenditure (essentially u-turning on some of the expenditure they foolishly put forward in the last budget). They will do neither of course - I suspect they will keep to the budget date, not cut expenditure (the only u turn they havent performed but the most critical one) and keep floating mad ideas, creating more uncertainty, increasing borrowing and the black hole they have helped to create. #clueless.

 

Edited September 3 by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

49 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

😆

That's fine mate, you keep on making up stuff to suit your arguments. Not the first time you've been caught lying on here.

Don't forget, I've got your number, as I'm sure a lot of others have too.

Edited September 3 by Farmer Saint

[Sir Ralph]

Another day, another balls up. At least Angela wont be taking the PM's job. Not a tax dodge though. #clueless

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/crm4mxrg40pt

Edited September 3 by Sir Ralph

[east-stand-nic]

The level of intellect from the usual lefty loons here is dropping further and further. Once again, not a one of them can read and take in what I am saying. It is just amazing people can be so incapable of reading, understanding and taking it on. Of course a lot of denial also as I have once again torn your lovie Starmer a new asshole for his corrupt dealings. 

[Sir Ralph]

8 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

The level of intellect from the usual lefty loons here is dropping further and further. Once again, not a one of them can read and take in what I am saying. It is just amazing people can be so incapable of reading, understanding and taking it on. Of course a lot of denial also as I have once again torn your lovie Starmer a new asshole for his corrupt dealings. 

Its amazing anybody still try to defend them. If I voted for the Lib Dems, Tories or Reform and they were doing this I would just accept they were doing a terrible job. Defending the indefensible = no credibility.  PMQ's will be entertaining😆

If I didnt pay my stamp duty, HMRC would be after me but I suspect the two-tier approach will be applied to Angela.

Edited September 3 by Sir Ralph

[whelk]

16 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

The level of intellect from the usual lefty loons here is dropping further and further. Once again, not a one of them can read and take in what I am saying. It is just amazing people can be so incapable of reading, understanding and taking it on. Of course a lot of denial also as I have once again torn your lovie Starmer a new asshole for his corrupt dealings. 

This may be news to you but you are not complex. Most can see you are some deeply insecure, low intellect person, desperately wanting your voice to be heard in the world. It’s ok, I understand it’s a textbook coping mechanism. You see things others cannot - lol.
Your constant boasts and derision of others just reinforces your neediness and desperation. 
Fun to have such a delusional clown here though.

[whelk]

24 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Its amazing anybody still try to defend them. If I voted for the Lib Dems, Tories or Reform and they were doing this I would just accept they were doing a terrible job. Defending the indefensible = no credibility.  PMQ's will be entertaining😆

If I didnt pay my stamp duty, HMRC would be after me but I suspect the two-tier approach will be applied to Angela.

You’ve got 4 more years. Are you sure your blood pressure will survive? Some of it is in your mind as well so that isn’t going anywhere whatever policies are put in place

Edited September 3 by whelk

[aintforever]

26 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Its amazing anybody still try to defend them. If I voted for the Lib Dems, Tories or Reform and they were doing this I would just accept they were doing a terrible job. Defending the indefensible = no credibility.  PMQ's will be entertaining😆

If I didnt pay my stamp duty, HMRC would be after me but I suspect the two-tier approach will be applied to Angela.

Rayner should be sacked if she did anything dodgy - who is saying otherwise?

[rallyboy]

Rayner has to go.

We had 14 years of ministers refusing to step down after committing some horrendous offences, and Johnson and his supporters protected sex offenders, tax dodgers and corrupt cabinet ministers.

We need some integrity back in politics and if she's made that tax 'mistake', she should be gone.

But Badenoch and Farage can say nothing, they have both protected colleagues who should not have been protected, some of whom should be in jail.

[badgerx16]

45 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

The level of intellect from the usual lefty loons here is dropping further and further. Once again, not a one of them can read and take in what I am saying. It is just amazing people can be so incapable of reading, understanding and taking it on. Of course a lot of denial also as I have once again torn your lovie Starmer a new asshole for his corrupt dealings. 

Deluded twat.

[Sir Ralph]

53 minutes ago, whelk said:

You’ve got 4 more years. Are you sure your blood pressure will survive? Some of it is in your mind as well so that isn’t going anywhere whatever policies are put in place

I'm no staunch supporter of any party. In fact I hope Labour do well - we all benefit. Sometimes you have to deal with reality rather than just back the party you support as thats just blind support. The reason I'm against them is because they are clueless and they fail to understand the absolute basics.

So of course its all in my mind, its just me. 

The polls would say otherwise - they are absolutely tanking. So its not just me that thinks they are doing a terrible job. Its the electorate - to you thats the people of the country. Instead, maybe its in your mind they they are doing a half decent (being generous) job because the polls show that your view doesnt align with the vast majority of people, including people that voted for Labour. Maybe everyone else is wrong then and you are right?

I'm not getting angry, its just embarrassing we have 4 more years of ineptitude. The longer it goes on, the more damage they will do and the longer it will be before they get back in office again thankfully. Last time it took 14 or so years and that previous Labour Government had redeeming qualities. This one has very, very few so it will be a lot longer.

https://www.inkl.com/news/new-poll-sees-labour-s-approval-rating-fall-to-record-low

Edited September 3 by Sir Ralph

[east-stand-nic]

36 minutes ago, whelk said:

This may be news to you but you are not complex. Most can see you are some deeply insecure, low intellect person, desperately wanting your voice to be heard in the world. It’s ok, I understand it’s a textbook coping mechanism. You see things others cannot - lol.
Your constant boasts and derision of others just reinforces your neediness and desperation. 
Fun to have such a delusional clown here though.

So why do you find my points so hard to understand and answer? I state facts. You come back with piffle.

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

So why do you find my points so hard to understand and answer? I state facts. You come back with piffle.

LOLZ

[AlexLaw76]

She is prepared to pay extra tax. Jolly nice of her

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

Its amazing anybody still try to defend them. If I voted for the Lib Dems, Tories or Reform and they were doing this I would just accept they were doing a terrible job. Defending the indefensible = no credibility.  PMQ's will be entertaining😆

If I didnt pay my stamp duty, HMRC would be after me but I suspect the two-tier approach will be applied to Angela.

True. They wouldn't shed a tier.

[Whitey Grandad]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

She is prepared to pay extra tax. Jolly nice of her

Does she have a choice?

We don't. 

[badgerx16]

21 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

So why do you find my points so hard to understand and answer? 

Because Whelk isn't a conspiracy loon, and your ramblings are nonsense.

There you go, I have beaten you up and torn you a new one, ( or something like that ).

Edited September 3 by badgerx16

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Does she have a choice?

We don't. 

I suppose they might change the law specifically to exclude her, so she doesnt have to pay it. That will be tomorrow's headline I suspect

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Does she have a choice?

We don't. 

Apparently she could move to Dubai.

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

The level of intellect from the usual lefty loons here is dropping further and further. Once again, not a one of them can read and take in what I am saying. It is just amazing people can be so incapable of reading, understanding and taking it on. Of course a lot of denial also as I have once again torn your lovie Starmer a new asshole for his corrupt dealings. 

Frothing at the mouth at its very best 

[Sir Ralph]

3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Apparently she could move to Dubai.

There is no defence of the current shambles so it doesnt surprise me to see this. Funny you just criticised @east-stand-nic for being incoherent and you make a comment like this. The old tactic of distraction. No good point or defence to make of the current shambles so revert to that. Defending the indefensible = no credibility.

Edited September 3 by Sir Ralph

[east-stand-nic]

5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Because Whelk isn't a conspiracy loon, and your ramblings are nonsense.

There you go, I have beaten you up and torn you a new one, ( or something like that ).

Wrong again. Try me. Go and read what I say and try to articulate some kind of proper response instead of trying to deflect it away. I bet you cannot. 

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, east-stand-nic said:

Wrong again. Try me. Go and read what I say and try to articulate some kind of proper response instead of trying to deflect it away. I bet you cannot. 

Deflection and distraction is the way of the left when they have no response.

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, east-stand-nic said:

Wrong again. Try me. Go and read what I say and try to articulate some kind of proper response instead of trying to deflect it away. I bet you cannot. 

Can't be arsed to lower myself.

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

There is no defence of the current shambles so it doesnt surprise me to see this. Funny you just criticised @east-stand-nic for being incoherent and you make a comment like this. The old tactic of distraction. No good point or defence to make of the current shambles so revert to that. Defending the indefensible = no credibility.

 

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

Deflection and distraction is the way of the left when they have no response.

Obviously you have no sense of humour.

Lighten up.

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

Can't be arsed to lower myself.

Ignore the freak, it will disappear back to conspiracy bullshit head quarters soon as he has run out of posts, good job really as my sides hurt for laughing at him/her. 

[Sir Ralph]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

 

Obviously you have no sense of humour.

Lighten up.

Fair point, I probably dont. My sense of humour is definitely not my strength. I'm incredibly good looking and clever though 😆

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

Fair point, I probably dont. My sense of humour is definitely not my strength. I'm incredibly good looking and clever though 😆

[whelk]

I am genuinely pleased Nic has a mate in Ralph. I sometimes feel like I am beating Nic so bad that it is unfair. He needs some support

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, tdmickey3 said:

@tdmickey3 get the camera the right way round mate. Try again.😆

Edited September 3 by Sir Ralph

[whelk]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Fair point, I probably dont. My sense of humour is definitely not my strength. I'm incredibly good looking and clever though 😆

ChatGPT can tell you which posters are the funniest 🤣 

Edited September 3 by whelk
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