Solving the Immigration Problem

[Farmer Saint]

8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Not my article I never wrote it. It was a blunt and extreme take from an outsider PoV.

do I agree with it? No, but the wider point of immigration and the complete lack of will and ability to do anything meaningful is highlighted here.

 

Why would you post something you don't agree with and then not comment on that post to say you don't agree with it? 

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Why would you post something you don't agree with and then not comment on that post to say you don't agree with it? 

Why not? To spark debate, to read what others are saying. Maybe to see what the centrists think on here.

reading and consuming news you may not agree with is not haram, you know.

Edited 8 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Is this out of bounds for you?

 

Yes, because I don't have X so it doesn't let me read the full post/article.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yes, because I don't have X so it doesn't let me read the full post/article.

Well, that is a you problem then.

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

Why not? To spark debate, to read what others are saying. Maybe to see what the centrists think on here.

ready and consuming news you may not agree with is not haram, you know.

But not commenting shows an implicit endorsement of the post - that's the issue. 

Got no idea what that second sentence says. "What do you do with the drunken sailor early in the morning" and all that jazz.

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Well, that is a you problem then.

No, it's an X problem. Along with racism, fascism and homophobia, but then some X users support those causes, eh Alex?

[AlexLaw76]

10 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

But not commenting shows an implicit endorsement of the post - that's the issue. 

 

That is your issue and how you want to take it. Fair enough. 

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15 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Why not? To spark debate, to read what others are saying. Maybe to see what the centrists think on here.

SoG used to get mullered for posting links to articles without comment, question,  or opinion...it's usually best to spark debate with comment, question or opinion imo, otherwise, as has happened here, people reasonably assume that what you're linking to is your opinion. 

Your posting approach invited the response you received. 

[AlexLaw76]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

SoG used to get mullered for posting links to articles without comment, question,  or opinion...it's usually best to spark debate with comment, question or opinion imo, otherwise, as has happened here, people reasonably assume that what you're linking to is your opinion. 

Your posting approach invited the response you received. 

He got no end of shit due to the years or labelling people of the worst crimes for no real reason, which left his wiggle room non existent.

i don’t recall too many times calling people names, labelling then as racist, fascist et al. However, within a few posts of me not doing those things, I get it beaten with the centrist stick.

 

[egg]

13 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

He got no end of shit due to the years or labelling people of the worst crimes for no real reason, which left his wiggle room non existent.

i don’t recall too many times calling people names, labelling then as racist, fascist et al. However, within a few posts of me not doing those things, I get it beaten with the centrist stick.

 

That's a different issue. You did what he did, and got criticised for - lazily posting a link without comment/question/opinion.

If you don't want it being suggested that a shit article doesn't represent your opinion, don't lazily link to it without any comment etc. 

[egg]

45 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

But not commenting shows an implicit endorsement of the post - that's the issue. 

Yep, and as I suspect we see sometimes, an opportunity to row backwards when flak is received. It makes discussion pointless. 

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

That's a different issue. You did what he did, and got criticised for - lazily posting a link without comment/question/opinion.

If you don't want it being suggested that a shit article doesn't represent your opinion, don't lazily link to it without any comment etc. 

why do I have to post a comment or opinion to save being "criticised"?

Who gave you (the royal you) the right to get personal straight away because you do not like the article posted (without a qualifying comment)?

The post that sparked this. You debated it directly (fine), another 'centrist' very quickly defaulted to slurs, suggest racism, ie the usual gig. 

 

 

[Osvaldorama]

8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

why do I have to post a comment or opinion to save being "criticised"?

Who gave you (the royal you) the right to get personal straight away because you do not like the article posted (without a qualifying comment)?

The post that sparked this. You debated it directly (fine), another 'centrist' very quickly defaulted to slurs, suggest racism, ie the usual gig. 

 

 

Low IQ people struggle to hold opposing ideas in their mind at the same time. 
 

One of the major reasons why the left can’t debate well. 

[egg]

8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

why do I have to post a comment or opinion to save being "criticised"?

Who gave you (the royal you) the right to get personal straight away because you do not like the article posted (without a qualifying comment)?

The post that sparked this. You debated it directly (fine), another 'centrist' very quickly defaulted to slurs, suggest racism, ie the usual gig. 

I didn't get personal. Show me where. 

As farmer said, people are entitled to assume that something you link to may represent your view unless you say what your view is. That shouldn't be a controversial or surprising opinion. 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, egg said:

I didn't get personal. Show me where. 

As farmer said, people are entitled to assume that something you link to may represent your view unless you say what your view is. That shouldn't be a controversial or surprising opinion. 

Farmer is entitled to believe that, but does that excuse the immediate stance of getting personal?

[egg]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

Farmer is entitled to believe that, but does that excuse the immediate stance of getting personal?

I didn't get personal. I criticized the article, gullible people, and lazy posting.

If you put yourself in the gullible camp, then yep, you got flak, but I didn't put you there. 

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, egg said:

I didn't get personal. I criticized the article, gullible people, and lazy posting.

If you put yourself in the gullible camp, then yep, you got flak, but I didn't put you there. 

I never said you did, it was the “royal you” (poor choose of words)

debate people fine.

but why is it ok, without debated for your fellow centrists to get personal from the opening bat?

 

 

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

.......but why is it ok, without debated for your fellow centrists to get personal from the opening bat?

That is hardly a trait unique to the "centrists". Plenty of our 'slightly right of centre' colleagues have extremely sensitive trigger fingers.

[egg]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I never said you did, it was the “royal you” (poor choose of words)

debate people fine.

but why is it ok, without debated for your fellow centrists to get personal from the opening bat?

 

Probably best to direct your question to someone who you think has criticised you. I'll stick to the actual subject. 

[AlexLaw76]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

Probably best to direct your question to someone who you think has criticised you. I'll stick to the actual subject. 

Just trying to gauge your opinion, that is all.

 

[benjii]

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1080/1080-h/1080-h.htm

 

 

[egg]

49,000 people now arrived in Ceuta. The easiest thing for the Spane need to accept it's nonsense having sovereignty over it and cede it to Morocco. 

[Osvaldorama]

1 hour ago, egg said:

49,000 people now arrived in Ceuta. The easiest thing for the Spane need to accept it's nonsense having sovereignty over it and cede it to Morocco. 

Well done on having the worst take ever. 
 

It’s been Spanish territory for 350 years.

Why should they cede it? 

 

[egg]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

Well done on having the worst take ever. 
 

It’s been Spanish territory for 350 years.

Why should they cede it? 

 

Should we, France, etc have kept our colonial land in Africa? 

How's having part of the EU on mainland Africa going today? 

Edited 1 hour ago by egg

[Turkish]

7 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Such a good comeback you had to post it separately 😂

it was pretty funny tbf

[Osvaldorama]

27 minutes ago, egg said:

Should we, France, etc have kept our colonial land in Africa? 

How's having part of the EU on mainland Africa going today? 

My god, you really are in a weird lefty cult aren’t you. 
 

 

[Sir Ralph]

The centrists are off again. Being so reasonable and middle of the road.🤣 This issue in Spain is going to strengthen farage and badenochs hand. 

[Sir Ralph]

8 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

My god, you really are in a weird lefty cult aren’t you. 
 

 

It’s a weird lefty echo chamber on here. A small group of “centrists” spend each and every day commenting which also suggests they should probably focus on work more rather than complaining other people that do work hard aren’t paying enough tax. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Sir Ralph

[egg]

7 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

My god, you really are in a weird lefty cult aren’t you. 
 

 

Ha!! What a well thought through response 👏👏

As an aside, I'm not sure how many lefties support means testing benefits and clipping the wings of state pensions. Feels a tad more centrist to me, but your world only sees left / right. Shame. 

[egg]

7 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

It’s a weird lefty echo chamber on here. They spend each and every day commenting which also suggests they should probably focus on work more rather than complaining other people that do work hard aren’t paying enough tax. 

Some of us have worked hard mate and work when / if we choose. The rewards of capatilsm. Your time may come. 

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

Some of us have worked hard mate and work when / if we choose. The rewards of capatilsm. Your time may come. 

Some of us have worked hard for long enough that we have reached the State retirement age. Of course those to the right of the "centrists" probably can't comprehend that.

[Sir Ralph]

10 minutes ago, egg said:

Some of us have worked hard mate and work when / if we choose. The rewards of capatilsm. Your time may come. 

Wow I didn’t realise you were so big time😂. I’m not going to get into a cock off with you as I don’t need to.

You and your buddies (3 or 4 of them) have hijacked this forum, all support one another and convinced each other that you are centrists. It would be mildly amusing if it wasn’t so sad.

Edited 1 hour ago by Sir Ralph

[egg]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Wow I didn’t realise you were so big time. I’m not going to get into a cock off with you as I don’t need to.

You and your buddies (3 or 4 of them) have hijacked this forum, all support one another and convinced each other that you are centrists. It would be mildly amusing if it wasn’t so sad.

I think some of us have a less binary view of the political spectrum of you and a few others. Your opinion that anyone left of your thinking is a raving leftie is pretty tragic.

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

You and your buddies (3 or 4 of them) have hijacked this forum, all support one another and convinced each other that you are centrists. It would be mildly amusing if it wasn’t so sad.

Come on, name names.

 

Where do you think you fall on the scale of Guided Missile, Osvaldorama, and East Stand Nick ?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

28 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

The centrists are off again. Being so reasonable and middle of the road.🤣 This issue in Spain is going to strengthen farage and badenochs hand. 

Awww. It's only been a couple of weeks since @Gloucester Saint put me in the centrists club. I was happy to join any club, and now it's just abuse. 🙂

[badgerx16]

Just now, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Awww. It's only been a couple of weeks since @Gloucester Saint put me in the centrists club. I was happy to join any club, and now it's just abuse. 🙂

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

I think I look quite fetching in that one.

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Come on, name names.

 

Where do you think you fall on the scale of Guided Missile, Osvaldorama, and East Stand Nick ?

Oh I’m sure I have similar political opinions to them - I’ll admit it. I have no problem admitting my position on the political spectrum. Others do
 

 

[iansums]

22 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Wow I didn’t realise you were so big time😂. I’m not going to get into a cock off with you as I don’t need to.

You and your buddies (3 or 4 of them) have hijacked this forum, all support one another and convinced each other that you are centrists. It would be mildly amusing if it wasn’t so sad.

Sorry Ralph, I'm certainly on the right like you, but can't agree with this post. IMO Egg is a decent and reasonable poster.

[iansums]

8 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Because a lot of non-racist people don't have it and can't read the full articles.

With the greatest respect, who are you to decide from which platform articles can be posted?

[egg]

23 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Oh I’m sure I have similar political opinions to them - I’ll admit it. I have no problem admitting my position on the political spectrum. Others do
 

 

So 3 or 4 people hijacking the forum with aligned political views. I have no issue with that, but question why you see differing views from 3 or 4 people as such an issue.