Solving the Immigration Problem

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

You are a fucking weirdo mate. I do not recall even replying to any of your posts but you can't help yourself. More so when you were DEMANDING personal details of a random single woman from a stranger on a football forums, even using a burner email account to get these details. All I did was say no and left it at that and left your posts alone.

Quite chilling when you look it at like that. 

You said to send me your email address to your PM, which I did, and you would send me the details so I could report them. You then signed that email address up to kiddie porn.

And you wonder why I took it so badly. Fucking nonce prick.

Edited yesterday at 19:58 by Farmer Saint

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

You said to send me your email address to your PM, which I did, and you would send me the details so I could report you. You then signed that email address up to kiddie porn.

And you wonder why I took it so badly. Fucking nonce prick.

🤣

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

🤣

Hilarious. Laugh it up Jimmy.

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

Hilarious. Laugh it up Jimmy.

I am sure with your moral compass, you reported it straight to the police....

[Farmer Saint]

8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I am sure with your moral compass, you reported it straight to the police....

I did, and funnily enough the site is no longer there, no doubt you are aware of that though.

Here you go, after saying you couldn't remember it...

 

 

[The Kraken]

Go easy now, he could have breached UK GDPR after all.

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, The Kraken said:

Go easy now, he could have breached UK GDPR after all.

He certainly breached something of those fucking kids. Disgusting prick that he is.

[EssEffCee]

Well that escalated quickly.

[Sir Ralph]

British justice in two stories below. What a joke the police and judiciary are. Essentially the same sentence for throwing a plastic bottle compared to creating 5,000 indecent images of children in the school next door. Two tier is alive and kicking. 
 

And Danny Thompson has now only being arrested for criminal damage and refusing to give his mobile pin to the police (as everyone said there was nobody in the boat in the video). What a joke they are. Very little respect for them anymore. House or car robbed - not interested. Man cut illegal immigrant rubber dinghy - arrest and charge. Bellendshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crkgwe3egpzgo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62kw7pqjw0zo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8vgy7ww21rqo

Edited 23 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Sir Ralph]

5 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

British justice in two stories below. What a joke the police and judiciary are. Essentially the same sentence for throwing a plastic bottle compared to creating 5,000 indecent images of children in the school next door. Two tier is alive and kicking. 
 

And Danny Thompson has now only being arrested for criminal damage and refusing to give his mobile pin to the police (as everyone said there was nobody in the boat in the video). What a joke they are. Very little respect for them anymore. House or car robbed - not interested. Man cut illegal immigrant rubber dinghy - arrest and charge. Bellendshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crkgwe3egpzgo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62kw7pqjw0zo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8vgy7ww21rqo

@aintforever which part is that funny to you? The bit with the guy preparing 5000 images of kids only getting a couple of years?

[aintforever]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

@aintforever which part is that funny to you? The bit with the guy preparing 5000 images of kids only getting a couple of years?

Just laughing at you getting so angry.

Sometimes they hand out tough sentences as a deterrent, that’s just the way it is. Nothing two tier about it. I think there should be tougher sentences for peados but I’m not laughing at that, just at you.

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[Sir Ralph]

7 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Just laughing at you getting so angry.

Sometimes they hand out tough sentences as a deterrent, that’s just the way it is. Nothing two tier about it. I think there should be tougher sentences for pedals but I’m not laughing at that, just at you.

Tougher sentences to deter only a certain category of people. Make 5000 indecent images of kids at the school next door, smuggle over 100 illegal immigrants across borders risking their lives and get the same sentence as throwing a small plastic bottle and swearing at the police. Those sentences deter the latter not the former and are very clearly two tier. Deter the protester throwing bottles but not the illegal immigrant smuggler or the pedo.

Yes I’m pissed I used to respect the police / judiciary. With incoherent sentences like this not any more. I pay my tax for a fair police and judiciary not bullshit like this. Another thing reform need to address if they get in.
 

Even officers (I have a couple of friends who are in it) think the senior leadership of their forces are a joke and often more interested in woke policies than doing the job. One of them said he doesn’t want to be promoted cause he will be forced to put policies in place by senior officers that his colleagues don’t agree with. Says a lot

Edited 23 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[aintforever]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Yes I’m pissed I used to respect the police / judiciary. With incoherent sentences like this not any more. I pay my tax for a fair police and judiciary not bullshit like this. Another thing reform need to address if they get in.
 

Even officers (I have a couple of friends who are in it) think the senior leadership of their forces are a joke and often more interested in woke policies than doing the job. One of them said he doesn’t want to be promoted cause he will be forced to put policies in place by senior officers that his colleagues don’t agree with. Says a lot

Back during the 2012 riots someone got put inside for stealing a doughnut - it’s not suddenly changed. The small boats are an obvious problem but you can’t have people going out trying to sink boats or people will die - they need to nip it in the bud.

Carry on being angry though, it’s funny.

[hypochondriac]

20 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

British justice in two stories below. What a joke the police and judiciary are. Essentially the same sentence for throwing a plastic bottle compared to creating 5,000 indecent images of children in the school next door. Two tier is alive and kicking. 
 

And Danny Thompson has now only being arrested for criminal damage and refusing to give his mobile pin to the police (as everyone said there was nobody in the boat in the video). What a joke they are. Very little respect for them anymore. House or car robbed - not interested. Man cut illegal immigrant rubber dinghy - arrest and charge. Bellendshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crkgwe3egpzgo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62kw7pqjw0zo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8vgy7ww21rqo

You must be over the moon? You were calling for Tommo to be treated proportionately. Sounds like he has been. 

[Sir Ralph]

10 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Back during the 2012 riots someone got put inside for stealing a doughnut - it’s not suddenly changed. The small boats are an obvious problem but you can’t have people going out trying to sink boats or people will die - they need to nip it in the bud.

Carry on being angry though, it’s funny.

Difference is he didn’t sink a boat with anyone in it. The fact they have arrested him on those charges is pretty embarrassing. 
 

Do you honestly think the guy who threw a plastic bottle should get the same time as a pedo or illegal immigrant smuggler?

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[Sir Ralph]

10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

You must be over the moon? You were calling for Tommo to be treated proportionately. Sounds like he has been. 

Well they couldn’t get him on a charge of endangering life so they went with not handing out the mobile pin. Being treated proportionately would only be known on sentencing if found guilty

[egg]

5 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Difference is he didn’t sink a boat with anyone in it. The fact they have arrested him on those charges is pretty embarrassing. 
 

Do you honestly think the guy who threw a plastic bottle should get the same time as a pedo or illegal immigrant smuggler?

You're embarrassing yourself getting so angry about it. 

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Well they couldn’t get him on a charge of endangering life so they went with not handing out the mobile pin. Being treated proportionately would only be known on sentencing if found guilty

Alternatively they investigated and charged him with the proper offences rather than any about endangering life. Sounds like a positive to me.

[Sir Ralph]

7 minutes ago, egg said:

You're embarrassing yourself getting so angry about it. 

I am angry about it. I rarely get annoyed. You should have a word with some of your leftie mates who often lose the plot. Surely you don’t take a two tier approach to different people who get angry?!

Chat Gpts summary of the sentencing for similar offences in the BLM and illegal migrant protests.  Of course the British police and judiciary are fair.
 

The evidence does show a noticeable difference in overall outcomes. Following the 2024–26 anti-immigration/asylum-hotel disorder, people convicted of violent disorder have frequently received immediate prison sentences of roughly two to three years, with substantially longer terms for riot, serious arson or other aggravated offending. Serious violence also occurred around the 2020 BLM protests—including attacks on police—but there appears to have been a much smaller body of BLM participants receiving comparable multi-year sentences. Some BLM-related cases instead resulted in conditional cautions, acquittals or relatively modest sentences.

Edited 23 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

I'm confused, Sir Ralph is getting angry cos Daniel Thomas's sentences were reduced massively? As I said earlier...

14 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

2 tier policing.

 

[egg]

8 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

I am angry about it. I rarely get annoyed. You should have a word with some of your leftie mates who often lose the plot. Surely you don’t take a two tier approach to different people who get angry?!

Chat Gpts summary of the sentencing for similar offences in the BLM and illegal migrant protests.  Of course the British police and judiciary are fair.
 

The evidence does show a noticeable difference in overall outcomes. Following the 2024–26 anti-immigration/asylum-hotel disorder, people convicted of violent disorder have frequently received immediate prison sentences of roughly two to three years, with substantially longer terms for riot, serious arson or other aggravated offending. Serious violence also occurred around the 2020 BLM protests—including attacks on police—but there appears to have been a much smaller body of BLM participants receiving comparable multi-year sentences. Some BLM-related cases instead resulted in conditional cautions, acquittals or relatively modest sentences.

Have a word with yourself mate.

A bloke has been charged with criminal damage after being filmed causing criminal damage. That's it.

That he did it, and some idiots being angry that he got charged, is the issue, nothing else. 

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

I'm confused, Sir Ralph is getting angry cos Daniel Thomas's sentences were reduced massively? As I said earlier...

 

The police will never not charge someone with something they can substantiate. They couldn’t substantiate anything else other than the remaining pathetic charges but went ahead anyway. I’m confused by the suggestion that the police have somehow been lenient or reasonable because of this. I’ve no doubt that if they thought they could get him on that charge they would have done 

With your suggestion that there isn’t two tier policing what do you make of the charges and sentencing differences between BLM and illegal migrant protests?

Edited 14 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[egg]

8 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Alternatively they investigated and charged him with the proper offences rather than any about endangering life. Sounds like a positive to me.

Yep. I suspect he didn't mean any harm to the bloke on board, and although he arguably could have been charged with more, the simple criminal damage keeps things in perspective. It'll be interesting to see how he pleads, and what happens if me has the temerity to go not guilty. 

[Sir Ralph]

17 minutes ago, egg said:

Have a word with yourself mate.

A bloke has been charged with criminal damage after being filmed causing criminal damage. That's it.

That he did it, and some idiots being angry that he got charged, is the issue, nothing else. 

I agree if he broke the law technically he should be charged. However the charges are pathetic and for similar actions or even worse actions for others the police won’t even investigate. I wouldn’t have a problem if the police were consistent but they pick and choose their charges based on the situation. That is my beef even though I’ve said it ten times!

Again my issue is the disparity in the policing approach for charging and sentencing. What do you make of the charging and sentencing differences between BLM and the illegal migrant protests? Looks like they are keener to deter some people than others.

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[egg]

11 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I agree if he broke the law technically he should be charged. The charges are pathetic and for similar actions for other the police won’t even investigate. I wouldn’t have a problem if the police were consistent but they pick and choose their charges based on the situation.
 

My issue is the disparity in the policing approach for charging and sentencing. What do you make of the charging and sentencing differences between BLM and the illegal migrant protests? Looks like they are keener to deter some people than others.

The issue is you not being to accept his charge on it's merits, and seeking equivalences. That's why you've pissed your panties. It's an incident on its own facts, charged proportionally. That's it. 

[Sir Ralph]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

The issue is you not being to accept his charge on it's merits, and seeking equivalences. That's why you've pissed your panties. It's an incident on its own facts, charged proportionally. That's it. 

You didn’t answer my question about the disparity in approach and are changing the point I’m making. You fudged it. Like I said lots of times if everyone was charged consistently no problem. They aren’t and I’ve given you evidence which you have conveniently ignored.

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[Farmer Saint]

23 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

The police will never not charge someone with something they can substantiate. They couldn’t substantiate anything else other than the remaining pathetic charges but went ahead anyway. I’m confused by the suggestion that the police have somehow been lenient or reasonable because of this. I’ve no doubt that if they thought they could get him on that charge they would have done 

With your suggestion that there isn’t two tier policing what do you make of the charges and sentencing differences between BLM and illegal migrant protests?

I think there is two tier policing - where did I say there wasn't? I think right wing influencers get a very easy ride.

[Sir Ralph]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I think there is two tier policing - where did I say there wasn't? I think right wing influencers get a very easy ride.

Evidence please? I’ve given you evidence that the blue hair and nose ring brigade get leniency. I would love to take your word for it but experience tells me otherwise

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[egg]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

You didn’t answer my question about the disparity in approach and are changing the point I’m making. You fudged it. Like I said lots of times if everyone was charged consistently no problem. They aren’t and I’ve given you evidence which you have conveniently ignored.

I haven't asked for a debate - I'm not interested in your quest for equivalence. I've expressed my opinion on a specific point. It's done. Happy Friday. 

[Sir Ralph]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

I haven't asked for a debate - I'm not interested in your quest for equivalence. I've expressed my opinion on a specific point. It's done. Happy Friday. 

Pissed your pants and run off in the face of evidence 😂. Don’t challenge me and then say you didn’t want a debate when the discussion gets into any form of specificity. Like your mate Johnny shearer or whatever his name is. You left wingers are a funny bunch

Edited 13 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[egg]

6 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Pissed your pants and run off in the face of evidence 😂. Don’t challenge me and then say you didn’t want a debate. Wally

If I'd asked you a question, it would signify the start of a conversation. When I tell you, politely, that I think you're a whiny prick with a slightly skewed moral compass, I'm simply expressing my opinion. 

As you've chosen not to let this go, I'll also remark that it's slightly odd that you think that people must have a conversation with you because you insist, and that they should be expected to follow you down your various ridiculous rabbit holes.

You'll note that I pose no question, which for clarity, means this isn't a discussion. It's me saying that I cannot be arsed to waste time conversing with you. 

I'm out of here. Adiós poppet. 

Edited 13 hours ago by egg

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, egg said:

If I'd asked you a question, it would signify the start of a conversation. When I tell you, politely, that I think you're a whiny prick with a slightly skewed moral compass, I'm simply expressing my opinion. 

As you've chosen not to let this go, I'll also remark that it's slightly odd that you think that people must have a conversation with you because you insist, and that they should be expected to follow you down your various ridiculous rabbit holes.

You'll note that I pose no question, which for clarity, means this isn't a discussion. It's me saying that I cannot be arsed to waste time conversing with you. 

I'm out of here. Adiós poppet. 

Bye. You can hide behind that statement which is convenient for you. Put those pants in the washing machine before you head out

[Farmer Saint]

10 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Evidence please? I’ve given you evidence that the blue hair and nose ring brigade get leniency. I would love to take your word for it but experience tells me otherwise

Eh, it's an opinion? Unless every case is identical and presided over by the same judges in the same court you can't really compare.

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Eh, it's an opinion? Unless every case is identical and presided over by the same judges in the same court you can't really compare.

Utter rubbish. Similar crimes but vastly different outcomes consistently. This is based on an assessment of a large sample of crimes across both events and a significant disparity is identified. We aren’t talking about a small sample. It demonstrates a trend in decision making.

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[tdmickey3]

14 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Utter rubbish. Similar crimes but vastly different outcomes consistently. This is based on an assessment of a large sample of crimes across both events and a significant disparity is identified. We aren’t talking about a small sample

Oh dear Ralphy, not going well today is it sweetheart, maybe this should be your wake up call for you to stop being an absolute prick..

[Sir Ralph]

40 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Oh dear Ralphy, not going well today is it sweetheart, maybe this should be your wake up call for you to stop being an absolute prick..

Lefties disagreeing with me doesn’t make them right. So far I’m the one with the evidence to support my position about the disparity in policing and sentencing and none of them have been able to counter with any substance.  They pooped themselves and ran quicker than the French in WW2 (you can google what WW2 means). So yes it’s going well. Thanks for checking in Susie. Have a great day. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

10 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Lefties disagreeing with me doesn’t make them right. . 

Doesn't mean you are, either.

[badgerx16]

31 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

They pooped themselves and ran quicker than the French in WW2...... 

Apart from those who didn't, fighting on as the Free French throughout the war, including an heroic stand at Bir Hakeim during the war in North Africa, which gave the 8th Army time to prepare the ground at El Alamein.

Edited 12 hours ago by badgerx16

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Apart from those who didn't, fighting on as the Free French throughout the war, including an heroic stand at Bir Hakeim during the war in North Africa, which gave the 8th Army time to prepare the ground at El Alamein.

Latter certainly true as my grandfather was involved in El Alamein.

[Sir Ralph]

35 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Doesn't mean you are, either.

When you have evidence to back you claim and other don’t have evidence to back their claim, it does. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

Lefties disagreeing with me doesn’t make them right. So far I’m the one with the evidence to support my position about the disparity in policing and sentencing and none of them have been able to counter with any substance.  They pooped themselves and ran quicker than the French in WW2 (you can google what WW2 means). So yes it’s going well. Thanks for checking in Susie. Have a great day. 

Getting angry and pissing your panties is not a good look 

[badgerx16]

37 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

When you have evidence to back you claim and other don’t have evidence to back their claim, it does. 

It is easy to cherry pick "evidence" to support an argument. What you posted were 2 cases out of hundreds of thousands each year, that are assessed in an overworked and under resourced Legal system. There will always be anomalies, or even just sentences that you or I disagree with, when sentencing is based on the personal assessment of a Judge or Magistrate, working to politically created " Guidelines", and taking account of evidence and testimony that we are not party to.

If you want consistency in sentencing then you would either have to take the human element out of the decision making process, or mandate specific fixed outcomes for every offence.

 

EDIT: Out of curiosity, what sort of "evidence" would you expect somebody to produce to support a counter to your argument over inconsistent sentencing ?

Edited 11 hours ago by badgerx16

[Farmer Saint]

35 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Getting angry and pissing your panties is not a good look 

It's better he takes it out on us rather than his poor wife.

[Osvaldorama]

54 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

When you have evidence to back you claim and other don’t have evidence to back their claim, it does. 

Don’t get angry. You are correct, and your views are in the majority. 
 

Things have to change. Everyone can see the two tier policing. 

[badgerx16]

13 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Everyone can see the two tier policing. 

Indeed;

Multi-millinaire got less than 4 years for killing his girlfriend....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46591150

 

Or, at a lower level, Sir Alex Ferguson getting off a driving charge because he was desperate for a pee.

Edited 10 hours ago by badgerx16

[Osvaldorama]

6 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Indeed;

Multi-millinaire got less than 4 years for killing his girlfriend....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46591150

 

Or, at a lower level, Sir Alex Ferguson getting off a driving charge because he was desperate for a pee.

Wealthy people & celebrities getting away with more than us commoners is a completely separate issue to this. 
 

I agree that more should be done on that front. 

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

It is easy to cherry pick "evidence" to support an argument. What you posted were 2 cases out of hundreds of thousands each year, that are assessed in an overworked and under resourced Legal system. There will always be anomalies, or even just sentences that you or I disagree with, when sentencing is based on the personal assessment of a Judge or Magistrate, working to politically created " Guidelines", and taking account of evidence and testimony that we are not party to.

If you want consistency in sentencing then you would either have to take the human element out of the decision making process, or mandate specific fixed outcomes for every offence.

 

EDIT: Out of curiosity, what sort of "evidence" would you expect somebody to produce to support a counter to your argument over inconsistent sentencing ?

I didn’t cherry pick evidence. My point initially was this thommo guy shouldn’t get a disproportionate sentence because of his political views and I hope he didn’t. I then provided the link to the examples yesterday and also to the BLM and illegal migrant protests. The approach to charging and sentencing across a wide sample is very clear for similar crimes. To me that is evidence of two tier in respect of these two protests. Circling then back to my original point.

You either disagree with me with your own evidence or accept it.

Edited 9 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Sir Ralph]

41 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

It's better he takes it out on us rather than his poor wife.

What a weird post

[Sir Ralph]

22 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Wealthy people & celebrities getting away with more than us commoners is a completely separate issue to this. 
 

I agree that more should be done on that front. 

It’s a deflection away from the main point but I agree. Money shouldn’t mean all these wealthy BLM protesters and illegal immigrants get away with it

[tdmickey3]

That prick Thompson has pleaded not guilty.... what a wanker

Anti-migrant activist Danny Tommo pleads not guilty to criminal damage over 'boat slashing' | UK News | Sky News

Edited 9 hours ago by tdmickey3