The Reform Thread

[Turkish]

21 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I genuinely feel sorry for you Duckie. You think that a random bloke on the internet is lying to you yet you believed everything Nigel Farage told you about Brexit. You’d be absolutely useless on The Traitors.

Here’s another one that will upset you. I didn’t mention it before as it doesn’t involve being particularly bright. A guy in the year below me had a long career playing centre half for Charlton. He marked Ted MacDougall when they hammered us 6-2 at The Valley (in torrential rain as I remember) and also played in the reverse fixture when we beat them 3-1 at The Dell.

He was a solid player at school but nothing special. There were certainly two or three players better so it was a surprise when he turned pro. 

Fuck me they want to send scientists down to your school to see what the secret is. A who’s who of 70s and 80s superheroes came from that gene pool. I predict a Netflix drama on the South London postcode which breeds legends.  Kind of the opposite of Stranger Things where every person that gets touched gets super powers . No wonder you’re so bitter all your old “mates” smashing it out the park whilst you’ve ended up being a joke figure on football forums 

Edited Monday at 11:05 by Turkish

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Fuck me they want to send scientists down to your school to see what the secret is. A who’s who of 70s and 80s superheroes came from that gene pool. I predict a Netflix drama on the South London postcode which breeds legends.  Kind of the opposite of Stranger Things where every person that gets touched gets super powers . No wonder you’re so bitter all your old “mates” smashing it out the park whilst you’ve ended up being a joke figure on football forums 

I know SOG won't consider it crime of the century. But if anyone at your school says that if they touch you, you'll get superpowers, then report them to a teacher or the police.

If it's a teacher or a visiting member of the police that's said it to you, then go to someone more moral to help you report it. Like a priest.

[benjii]

So, 2 Reform MPs accidentally voted the wrong way on the 2 child benefit cap vote, and Farage couldn't be arsed to turn up. 

These wankers couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, have no serious policies, have links to dodgy foreign funding and plenty of connections to Epstein, and still some people think they are a credible choice for government.

THEY THINK YOU'RE A FUCKING MUG!

[badgerx16]

27 minutes ago, benjii said:

 

THEY THINK YOU'RE A FUCKING MUG!

They're counting on it.

[benjii]

 

 

[sadoldgit]

The Labour Party have just aired a party political broadcast. The whole thing focussed on attacking Reform.

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

The Labour Party have just aired a party political broadcast. The whole thing focussed on attacking Reform.

Pointless as Saints last season, because 80-90% of the switchers are Tories and the so-called Labour switchers are mostly disgruntled Boris voters from 2019. Sums up Labour lack of strategy. 

[Weston Super Saint]

9 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

The Labour Party have just aired a party political broadcast. The whole thing focussed on attacking Reform.

Did you write it?

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Did you write it?

One of his mates from the lunch club at the pub wrote it.

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

One of his mates from the lunch club at the pub wrote it.

Prolific is Peter Duncan. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Did you write it?

Just keeping his hand in, while he works on a sequel to The Who's Tommy.

[tdmickey3]

 

[sadoldgit]

16 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Did you write it?

You say that as if it a bad thing.

[Saint86]

2 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

 

As shocking as this revelation may be, this narrative is not the way to win votes - this is the way to alienate a decent portion of the electorate and ensure. Parties like Labour, the greens, lib dems etc, will never win these votes if they run around constantly painting them all as thick racists 🤦‍♂️. The tories may get some of them back purely because they aren't doing this and may instead manage to persuade some of them that they're a good choice again.... Maybe... but I can't see it being that significant a number tbh - this lot are basically the forgotten left behind demographic, and they are Reform's as it stands.

What people seem to utterly gloss over, is that an awful lot of Reform voters are traditional Labour voters - they look at what happened between 2019 and 2024, on that specific 5 year timeframe, but the larger picture is more interesting - alot of reform voters that "went from the conservatives to reform" are the so called "red wall" voters that in 2019 leant their vote to Johnson rather than Corbym... at the last GE they didn't vote tory, but they certainly didn't go back to Labour either... they've gone to Reform. And unlike the last GE, they're no longer seen as a protest vote - they are the most popular party in large parts of the country. Alongside that, the tories have bled votes to general apathy and often to the lib dems in the south and south west.

But honestly, the reality is that unless something changes drastically, i struggled to see next the general election as anything other than reform as the largest party. Labour are going to get punished - people everywhere and in all walks of life are just utterly sick of them. The greens are broadly viewed by everyone to the right of them as far left, and the lib dems have elected not to really capitalise at all on the implosion of the two main parties and have a leader who runs around doing comedy stunts for kids and giving out ice creams as his version of 'serious politics'. The only question in my mind, will be whether tactical voting leads to a whitewash or a hung parliament - and that goes across all 5-6main parties (greens/labour/libs/tories/reform - and then SNP/PC). Are things going to get better under this Labour government, or worse? 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Saint86

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

As shocking as this revelation may be, this narrative is not the way to win votes - this is the way to alienate a decent portion of the electorate and ensure. Parties like Labour, the greens, lib dems etc, will never win these votes if they run around constantly painting them all as thick racists 🤦‍♂️. The tories may get some of them back. Maybe... but I can't see it being that significant tbh.

What people seem to utterly gloss over, is that an awful lot of Reform voters are traditional Labour voters - they look at what happened between 2019 and 2024, on that specific 5 year timeframe, but the larger picture is more interesting - alot of reform voters that "went from the conservatives to reform" are the so called "red wall" voters that in 2019 leant their vote to Johnson rather than Corbym... at the last GE they didn't vote tory, but they certainly didn't go back to Labour either... they've gone to Reform. And unlike the last GE, they're no longer seen as a protest vote - they are the most popular party in large parts of the country. Alongside that, the tories have bled votes to general apathy and often to the lib dems in the south and south west.

 

I usually agree with your posts but the data doesn’t (yet - but has potential to change) support this about Labour switchers to Reform. Reform, unless they radically change their economic policies, will struggle to make some of those you mention formalise their switch in the ballot box at a GE https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/tory-voters-jumping-to-reform-biggest-switchers