Saints v Hull - Play Off Final - Saturday 23rd (maybe)

[James G]

If the EFL thought there was any chance of us getting thrown out, the match wouldn't go ahead. Everything is risk assessed these days

However, by going ahead with the match, they have cast judgment if you think about it so the press release has to be seen as being non judgemental, hence the wording. It's all a bit smoke and mirrors really.

If the match was to be cancelled or rearranged, apart from the logistical nightmare on many levels, people will question why the EFL let the match go ahead and why they let people buy tickets, travel, hotels etc..

That's my thinking anyway

 

[die Mannyschaft]

16 minutes ago, James G said:

If the EFL thought there was any chance of us getting thrown out, the match wouldn't go ahead. Everything is risk assessed these days

However, by going ahead with the match, they have cast judgment if you think about it so the press release has to be seen as being non judgemental, hence the wording. It's all a bit smoke and mirrors really.

If the match was to be cancelled or rearranged, apart from the logistical nightmare on many levels, people will question why the EFL let the match go ahead and why they let people buy tickets, travel, hotels etc..

That's my thinking anyway

 

Good point. EFL must have called all involved or the committee and decided already. All they need is a TEAMs meeting for 30 mins and record for speech to text minutes and job done. 

Its a deliberate ploy to stop as many Saints fans going to final if it goes a planned.

[Saintinnot]

This is stupid. Myself and 2 sons all season ticket holders  - one Son away on 23rd will be around for any re arranged dates - so do I book 2 or 3 tickets ? 🤪

[Jonnyboy]

What exactly is the spy supposed to have discovered that helped Saints in any way, that Luke Ayling is a c*nt? 

[Saint Fan CaM]

I’m not able to attend whatever the date/time, so hey ho.

Edited 19 minutes ago by Saint Fan CaM

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Cannot believe the EFL would risk a sanction that involves removing Saints from the competition - would be completely unfair and open to legal challenges. Precedence IF found guilty after looking at the full evidence would be a fine commensurate with the issue. Adding some form of points deduction, even delayed, would be disproportionate too. 

My feeling is there are two key unknowns that will have a bearing on the outcome - was the lad in full employ of Saints and under instruction, and secondly, has convincing evidence been provided that any training information gained was substantive enough to gain an advantage. That’s why Saints have insisted they need to investigate ‘context’ rather than just admitting to the charge as Leeds/Bielsa did. I guess we can all speculate - the next couple of days will reveal much.

It would be messy, because if they did that it would be because they'd have evidence this is 'systemic' - which would then call into question Wrexham, Derby etc who just missed out on the playoffs. They'd then call that one of those replaces us and get a shot to go to Wembley.

There is no easy route to 'expelling' us, because it will just open an entire can of worms which would ripple the league, delay and completion and put the start of the season and competition in jeopardy. We will be allowed to compete, we will be allowed to get promoted, but I'm fairly sure they will slap us with a fine. The worst case is probably a fine and a suspended points deduction.

[die Mannyschaft]

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

It would be messy, because if they did that it would be because they'd have evidence this is 'systemic' - which would then call into question Wrexham, Derby etc who just missed out on the playoffs. They'd then call that one of those replaces us and get a shot to go to Wembley.

There is no easy route to 'expelling' us, because it will just open an entire can of worms which would ripple the league, delay and completion and put the start of the season and competition in jeopardy. We will be allowed to compete, we will be allowed to get promoted, but I'm fairly sure they will slap us with a fine. The worst case is probably a fine and a suspended points deduction.

EFL have gone along with Boro all the way and now cant back track and say ' look Boro its not really that big an offence, Saint had no benefit and gained no leaque points directly from spy footage, so leave them in final and £500k fine' They just will look as stupid as Boro and thier manager, players and coaches. 

[Toadhall Saint]

3 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

EFL have gone along with Boro all the way and now cant back track and say ' look Boro its not really that big an offence, Saint had no benefit and gained no leaque points directly from spy footage, so leave them in final and £500k fine' They just will look as stupid as Boro and thier manager, players and coaches. 

Where is your evidence for this? Boro reported us to the EFL and they set the process in motion and have not commented until today.

[Harry_SFC]

2 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Where is your evidence for this? Boro reported us to the EFL and they set the process in motion and have not commented until today.

There is none. He's being a drama queen. 

[Rohl With It]

I think as a neutral (Wednesday fan) it has been blown out of all proportion.  I wouldn't give a monkeys if we were spied on a training sessions. 

The law was obviously brought in to avoid a repeat of Leeds action and EFL thought that was the end of any issues.   No this happens and they haven't a clue how to act.  

Personally I would issue a fine and maybe add if you guys get promoted compensate Boro to the tune of £10m - £20m.

It was obvious that very little advantage of any was gained.

Fly in the ointment in all this is Gibson is best mates with Parry and Birch.  Give them a new sport instead of Wednesday bashing.

[S-Clarke]

6 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

EFL have gone along with Boro all the way and now cant back track and say ' look Boro its not really that big an offence, Saint had no benefit and gained no leaque points directly from spy footage, so leave them in final and £500k fine' They just will look as stupid as Boro and thier manager, players and coaches. 

EFL have just followed process from all I can see.

Boro have just fed all their local journos, who have then fed the national journos. None of that is the EFL playing along with it.

The EFL also don't come to the decision, they have no input or influence over it, which is why the independent advisors are pulled together to come to the conclusion. The only involvement the EFL will have had up to this point is to receive the complaint, pull together evidence from both sides, and then arrange an independent panel who will review what the EFL have received from both clubs and form a judgement.

[RedArmy]

3 minutes ago, Rohl With It said:

I think as a neutral (Wednesday fan) it has been blown out of all proportion.  I wouldn't give a monkeys if we were spied on a training sessions. 

 

To be fair I’m not sure that would have been necessary this season 
 

Good luck next season though, never like to see fans suffer because of owners being shitcunts.