Other types of cheating

[PJ]

I've been thinking of other cheating offences and how the EFL have now set a precedent they should follow. I get that diving on the pitch is different - there is the potential for the player/club to be punished in the act and during the game (if the referee is crap, that's a different issue).

But there is one off-the-pitch cheating that i reckon all sensible fans of all clubs will acknowledge happens everywhere - tapping up players. Tapping up is clearly cheating, and in a way that unquestionably tries to give you a sporting advantage. The club is unlawfully trying to get a player in their side at the expense of other clubs. Based on the EFL's position on Spygate, whenever a club is found to have tapped-up (or tried to tap up a player - regardless of whether the player then joined the club), then the EFL must prevent that club from competing in the playoffs and add points deductions.

[Saint Troy]

I think this is an interesting question. It’s not that I don’t think we shouldn’t be punished, I do think sporting sanctions for cheating are right, but it needs to follow now with a sweeping change. Financial fair play misses are clear cheating and ejection from the competition should happen in the same way. 

[sadoldgit]

By taking the nuclear option over something that has been seen as trivial by many very experienced people in football the EFL have made a rod for their own back. There could well be calls for explosion for all manner of indiscretions in future.

[Hatch]

Hopefully we get to see Man City in the same league as Eastleigh

[die Mannyschaft]

I dont think any other form of cheating will really matter now. Boro have ensured Saints have committed football murder and Man City's shop lifting will be over looked or just told to put the sweets back on counter (small fine ).

At the rate 115 is going it will breach the legal time to bring a case or complete. 

[disconnect]

For years Saints have been the nice guys, happily developing players for other teams to be tapped up, with numerous outstanding youngsters moving for minimal fees following tapping up from bigger clubs. It's even happened blatently to our star players whilst in the premier league, and yet nothing has happened. Whilst we've towed the lined and been "net spend champions" numerous times in the past, that has got us nowhere, and we've seen loads of clubs find increasingly dodgy loopholes for their extremely dodgy financial dealings, whilst we get totally thrown to the wolves for something that most logical people see can only give a very minor edge (if any!), not fundamentally improve the quality of players on the pitch. 

If there's something that comes out of this, is that I really hope Saints do go back and raise complaints (publically!) and some big lawsuits whenever anything previously deemed trivial or minor comes along. I can see a massive tidal change in the way football is regulated now, as every single club will be raising things with the EFL, FA and Premier League (or at least, if promoted, Boro will!) every week and it's going to become a nightmare for them.

Making an example of one club, and letting another club completely try to tarnish an opposition clubs name through the media (whilst having their own board members on regulatory boards) is all very dodgy, but now every club can see that's how the EFL let you get what you want, they'll be doing this continually. 

[Ted Bates Statue]

Immoral actions are rife in football, but I'm amazed by how whiter than white supporters of other teams have suddenly become as they clutch their pearls at what we've done.

Just off the top of my head:

 

Chelsea - Selling the hotel to the parent company; 74 charges

Liverpool - Tapping up VVD; cyber crime

Man City - 115 rule breaches; subsidised stadium

Manchester United - Massive debt, Fergie time, Edwards family selling condemned meat to schools

Newcastle - Sportswashing; falsely claiming covid to postpone our fixture during relegation battle

West Ham - Taxpayers' stadium

[HarvSFC]

29 minutes ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

Immoral actions are rife in football, but I'm amazed by how whiter than white supporters of other teams have suddenly become as they clutch their pearls at what we've done.

Just off the top of my head:

 

Chelsea - Selling the hotel to the parent company; 74 charges

Liverpool - Tapping up VVD; cyber crime

Man City - 115 rule breaches; subsidised stadium

Manchester United - Massive debt, Fergie time, Edwards family selling condemned meat to schools

Newcastle - Sportswashing; falsely claiming covid to postpone our fixture during relegation battle

West Ham - Taxpayers' stadium

West Ham signed Tevez and Mascherano, kept them up by three points ahead of Sheffield United, £5.5m fine.

Liverpool and a host of other clubs have also received sanctions for their academy player dealings: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39508491

Most of the Premier League, and Birmingham have sold their women's teams to themselves to bypass PSR rules.

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

End of day, EFL needs to go through a multitude of offences and codifiy them with the punishments if they do not have them secured already. 

We know the efl and epl make it up as they go along and codifiying offences to punishments properly will make clubs think twice and then cant argue with it if caught doing something. 

[The Oggmonster]

I think we should probably do the decent thing and sack most of our players too (particularly Scienza) for deceiving referees by constantly diving and feigning injury. We can't have cheating behaviour like this at our club and must make a stand.

[S-Clarke]

We all know football is crooked, it's corrupt to shit. You just have to be shrewd to know how to play it, and then respond to it if you're ever 'caught red handed'. What we did wasn't the crime of the century, but ultimately how we handled it was probably the worst I've ever seen.

Corruption is rife, but it's how you own it, execute it and deal with it that matters. We failed on all 3 because we are owned by baffoons.

[LiberalCommunist]

Selfishly, I'm really hoping for a controversial winning goal tomorrow. Something to cement this game as the biggest farce final in history. 

But I'm armed with the knowledge, that my club has caused all this, and that hurts. There's very little to defend at this stage. I still maintain there is minimal advantage to spying within the 72 hour window, it really offers such a low amount of information that's its frankly retarded to risk doing it. But its how we did it that makes this so undefendable. Sending someone who has not even brought in to your shit plan really opens this up to the highest level of incompetence, with a smattering of arrogance. Tonda will be sacked before the game kicks off tomorrow, and we are still in for 12 months of chemo before we can start putting this behind us. 

Players will leave, that's inevitable, but we will get fees. The best we can hope for is a good manager/coach to steady the ship. Remind people of what we used to be. 

Congratulations though, this is easily the biggest self sabotage in sporting history. And for what? 

Glad Trump already ruined the WC. Football can fuck off for a while. 

[PJ]

49 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

We all know football is crooked, it's corrupt to shit. You just have to be shrewd to know how to play it, and then respond to it if you're ever 'caught red handed'. What we did wasn't the crime of the century, but ultimately how we handled it was probably the worst I've ever seen.

Corruption is rife, but it's how you own it, execute it and deal with it that matters. We failed on all 3 because we are owned by baffoons.

totally agree that football is crooked. My point is that the EFL have now said (and i actually think the written verdict from last night was quite well written and had logic to it) that a sporting advantage was sought, so a sporting sanction must apply, and that in the case of the playoffs (knock-out competition) the only sporting sanction suitable was to exclude the guilt party.

Following that stance (which definitely has logic to it), regardless of how well or badly a club handles cheating offences in future, the EFL have set this precedent. On the basis that the evidence obtained (for the Middlesborough game alone) was sufficient to prove our guilt, I'm not sure if how it was handled by us made any difference?