Saints 4-1 QPR - Match Thread

[coalman]

Personally I still think Dobbin's goal should have stood though I also see how it was disallowed and I'd have wanted it disallowed if we'd been on the receiving end. The Saints of not so long ago would've stood, hands on hips, and given up and the manager would've said how it changed the game at the final whistle. Instead they came out after half time and delivered an absolute lesson to QPR who were lucky to come away with a consolation goal.

That being said we played ourselves into trouble and got away with it in the first half. Need to cut that out. We look so much better when we get after teams and press them higher up the pitch.

Edited 6 hours ago by coalman

[Thripp87]

So many different scorers in the league now, must be 12 plus already I would think? Most pleasing thing is 7 goals in 2 games without Larin. The issue in the window was not replacing Stewart which would have lead to an over reliance on Larin, if we can perform and keep him fresh and rested I can’t see how we don’t make top 2.

Superb value at St Mary’s currently. 
 

Edited 4 hours ago by Thripp87

[Sheaf Saint]

8 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

The second paragraph is just a complete guess, you have no idea what they actually said to each other. The Lino doesn't have the depth perception to judge the position of Stephens, relative to the goal. The ref can't tell if anyone is playing him onside. They need to corroborate both these pieces of information to come to a decision, hence the discussion.

If the lino had seen the offside initially then he should have raised his flag immediately, and the ref could then have judged whether or not Stephens was interfering. The fact he didn't suggests he didn't see it at all.

The replay clearly shows it was only after Charles kicked off by pointing at Stephens on the ground and waving to the lino that the ref decided to go and speak to him. The ref might well have deemed that Stephens was interfering with the keeper if he was in an offside position, but the final call was pure guesswork which was heavily influenced by QPR's remonstrations.

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

10 hours ago, Saint_lambden said:

Atmosphere was bizarely flat other than the Chapel kop which is getting better all the time. It's a month or so away, but already looking forward to Friday night under the lights noise v Boro. 

It was flat again, kind of expect it now despite our form, St Mary's is more an audience than support. It's OK having a sing along to the PA after but the players must be frustrated with the mostly placid nature of the crowd, particularly when attacking where, in most grounds a roar would build to drive a side forward, here the volume barely rises. 

Surprised to read praise for the Chapel, from the other end it looked and sounded comatose. Think I faintly picked up a "Southampton, clap-clap-clap" at one point where the QPR fans retaliated with "What the fookin 'ell was that". Heard them clear enough...well in the first half anyway.

The Northam tries but still not all singing the same thing a lot of the time - and that Bree chant is shocking.

Other than that, great second half.

Edited 3 hours ago by TheAlehouseBrawlers

[Lord Duckhunter]

Entertaining game. Very even first half, was impressed with them during first 45, but after the break we totally outplayed them. 
 

Bragg probably my MoTM, but I thought Manning had a good game as well. Everyone was a 8ish, no poor performances really. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

5 hours ago, benjii said:

but really can't complain about it when the officials get one look in real time

Some common sense. It wasn’t some sort of conspiracy or anti Saints agenda. The same people moaning, would be praising the ref had they had a similar goal disallowed. It wasn’t like the Bolton one which was a blatant fuck up, no Var so the referee made a decision.

[Badger]

11 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Fair enough. Agree with you but I seem to remember there was a derby game with a silence and the skates inevitably couldn't stay quiet so I see why they do it.

That was quite different as the Skates disrupted a minutes silence for Ted Bates. Intentionally to show disrespect.

Yesterday seemed a genuine mistake (which should have been avoided), I thought by both sets of fans in the corner near the away section. But credit to those involved they did stop it fairly rapidly and it didn’t descend further 

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

It was flat again, kind of expect it now despite our form, St Mary's is more an audience than support. It's OK having a sing along to the PA after but the players must be frustrated with the mostly placid nature of the crowd, particularly when attacking where, in most grounds a roar would build to drive a side forward, here the volume barely rises. 

Surprised to read praise for the Chapel, from the other end it looked and sounded comatose. Think I faintly picked up a "Southampton, clap-clap-clap" at one point where the QPR fans retaliated with "What the fookin 'ell was that". Heard them clear enough...well in the first half anyway.

The Northam tries but still not all singing the same thing a lot of the time - and that Bree chant is shocking.

Other than that, great second half.

Completely agree with your assessment, with the exception of a few in the main the south half of the ground is silent, I had a chsnge of scenary in Itchen centre yesterday, we have some miserable old grumps in that part of the ground who seem to get little enjoyment out of the occasion, tutting and moaning their way through the 90 mins. 

Also large numbers streaming out to beat the traffic from 85th min onwards 

[sadoldgit]

SR have made a few poor decisions but fair play to them, they got it spot on in standing by Tonda and resigning JWP.

[Badger]

13 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

It happened last year and it will happen next year because an alarming number of people don't know how to follow basic instructions.

 

13 hours ago, whelk said:

 This is the problem with introducing applause as a mark of respect

Agree with this. Stop the minutes silence because some cretins can’t observe it properly. Then introduce a minutes applause and they can’t even adhere to that for the duration without starting a chant.

I remember the twats started singing Alan Ball’s name when applauding him. Well intentioned I know but Christ, you’re not asked to sing or shout just applaud. But there are morons who just can’t keep their traps shut for sixty seconds.

All in all thought yesterday was respected, but genuine misunderstanding by some. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Badger

[Badger]

11 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I've just rewatched the highlights and I also think QPR's goal shouldn't have stood because of a foul by Kone on Schlotterbeck in the build up. When the long ball went forward he led with his elbow into Schlott's face and knocked him off balance.

 

You really have to wonder what the purpose of the linesman (“Referee, Assistant” in new money) is if they just stand there like lemons (Bolton penalty, Dobbin’s goal, assault on Schlotterbeck. The latter could have been a red card with some refs had it been seen). 

[AlexLaw76]

That is an elbow, or a leading arm, to the face.....

[Sheaf Saint]

19 minutes ago, Badger said:

You really have to wonder what the purpose of the linesman (“Referee, Assistant” in new money) is if they just stand there like lemons (Bolton penalty, Dobbin’s goal, assault on Schlotterbeck. The latter could have been a red card with some refs had it been seen). 

 

12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

That is an elbow, or a leading arm, to the face.....

Yep. He's not even looking at the ball. He's looking straight at Schlott right up until lifting his elbow towards him. It's soft, but clearly deliberate. 

I'm struggling to see how that's any different from the one that Downes got hit with a retrospective ban for last season TBH.

[Paul_B]

Great to see Bragg scoring and us getting a 4th goal at the very end rather than just sitting back and seeing the game out. 

[coalman]

1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I'm struggling to see how that's any different from the one that Downes got hit with a retrospective ban for last season TBH.

Clearly different. If the player on the end of the elbow is wearing a red and white shirt it's a fair challenge. Otherwise automatic red.

[Saint Fan CaM]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Entertaining game. Very even first half, was impressed with them during first 45, but after the break we totally outplayed them. 
 

Bragg probably my MoTM, but I thought Manning had a good game as well. Everyone was a 8ish, no poor performances really. 

You’re entitled to your opinion of course, but I don’t know how you’ve arrived at that observation to be honest. Numerous times he didn’t close down an attacker, got caught upfield, was left in no man’s land in defence looking like a spare prick as usual. The worst thing for me though was the lead up to their goal - he lost the ball deep in our half of the pitch giving them possession because he’s so slow making decisions on the ball and then (watch the replays) he’s seen to just saunter back - and I mean slowly saunter back without a care - offering no support to his fellow defenders. No urgency. And they score, so no clean sheet again. If I was Peretz I’d be very pissed off with that lack of effort.

Yes, he had some decent moments too, but on balance I don’t think that can be characterised as a ‘good game’.

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

You’re entitled to your opinion of course, but I don’t know how you’ve arrived at that observation to be honest. Numerous times he didn’t close down an attacker, got caught upfield, was left in no man’s land in defence looking like a spare prick as usual. The worst thing for me though was the lead up to their goal - he lost the ball deep in our half of the pitch giving them possession because he’s so slow making decisions on the ball and then (watch the replays) he’s seen to just saunter back - and I mean slowly saunter back without a care - offering no support to his fellow defenders. No urgency. And they score, so no clean sheet again. If I was Peretz I’d be very pissed off with that lack of effort.

Yes, he had some decent moments too, but on balance I don’t think that can be characterised as a ‘good game’.

Manning was very good and MoM on FOTMOB (which is usually pretty accurate). From a defensive PoV he get the least protection from the player in front of him in the whole side. Leo is probably the least effective from a defensive view, where as Matuski on the other side is pretty good at doubling with Bree.

We have tightened up at the back largely due to JwP, who does a good job getting across the pitch to cover the left side