OldNick Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 As it seems the older players are now slipping back into the team, and experience being used, is it that RL/staff at club have now decided to change the emphasis on the youth to see us through? The youngsters are likely to be tiring and so the input of a few older heads may stabilise things.As i have said on other posts the mood in the camp has improved and the confidence of survival has increased. Wotte is trying to instil the need for wins ,back to back if at all possible and the old heads like Davis and Wotton are making their presence felt. It may be seen as a U turn by RL , or I would like to think he has accepted that we do need a few old heads as well as investing in the youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 As it seems the older players are now slipping back into the team, and experience being used, is it that RL/staff at club have now decided to change the emphasis on the youth to see us through? The youngsters are likely to be tiring and so the input of a few older heads may stabilise things.As i have said on other posts the mood in the camp has improved and the confidence of survival has increased. Wotte is trying to instil the need for wins ,back to back if at all possible and the old heads like Davis and Wotton are making their presence felt. It may be seen as a U turn by RL , or I would like to think he has accepted that we do need a few old heads as well as investing in the youth. You are probably near the mark there. What a waste of a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 As it seems the older players are now slipping back into the team, and experience being used, is it that RL/staff at club have now decided to change the emphasis on the youth to see us through? The youngsters are likely to be tiring and so the input of a few older heads may stabilise things.As i have said on other posts the mood in the camp has improved and the confidence of survival has increased. Wotte is trying to instil the need for wins ,back to back if at all possible and the old heads like Davis and Wotton are making their presence felt. It may be seen as a U turn by RL , or I would like to think he has accepted that we do need a few old heads as well as investing in the youth. It seems that way, fingers crossed. But why has it taken over 6 months and a change of manager and all this heartache to realise that when 90% of people on here recognised that in July? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I just hope we have realised soon enough to save us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 And about f**king time too. Pathetic men like Lowe cannot be told by those who seem 'inferior' in his eyes, they can only find out the hard way. Even if it was totally required due to finances it was still only going to end one way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Experience is absolutely vital in a relegation battle - anyone who knows anything about football knows this. It has taken the clowns in charge of our club 2/3rds of a season to realise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 As it seems the older players are now slipping back into the team, and experience being used, is it that RL/staff at club have now decided to change the emphasis on the youth to see us through? The youngsters are likely to be tiring and so the input of a few older heads may stabilise things.As i have said on other posts the mood in the camp has improved and the confidence of survival has increased. Wotte is trying to instil the need for wins ,back to back if at all possible and the old heads like Davis and Wotton are making their presence felt. It may be seen as a U turn by RL , or I would like to think he has accepted that we do need a few old heads as well as investing in the youth. I think you are right. And to me, it is a tacit admission of failure from Lowe. Question is : if we survive, and he is still here, will he re-try this bolllocks and risk relegation again next season ? Or is this the end of his grand theories ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 (edited) I think you are right. And to me, it is a tacit admission of failure from Lowe. Question is : if we survive, and he is still here, will he re-try this bolllocks and risk relegation again next season ? Or is this the end of his grand theories ? He appointed Wigley after Gray, Nearly appointed Wotte and A.N. Other after Redknapp, and followed it through on his return. I don't think he wil ever stop 'innovating.' He is too arrogant in his own view, and that is why I want him gone. Edited 3 February, 2009 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 i hope we can bully opposition now, maybe kick a few players to death like Swansea and scare them. After we play against Chris Morgan and Darius Henderson though, of course. Wouldnt want the wee lads to get a boo boo now would we Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I'd love Wotton to lump Morgan one, if there's one player in this league that deserves to be kicked it's him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I'd love Wotton to lump Morgan one, if there's one player in this league that deserves to be kicked it's him. Most of the derby team? Leon Best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Experience is absolutely vital in a relegation battle - anyone who knows anything about football knows this. It has taken the clowns in charge of our club 2/3rds of a season to realise. So what was the point in signing the inexperienced (at this level) Zoltan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I wouldn't call it a subtle change at all, as everything we have seen (e.g. sacking the manager) and heard (e.g. the change in formations mentioned by Wotte) would indicate something akin to a U turn (but that's not something I think we'll see on the OS, who will instead dress it up as a slight change of priority!!!). I just hope that with only 16 games left, we haven't left it too late. There's certainly enough games left and enough points to play for, but we would appear to be playing catch up. Additionally, I worry that Wotte and the team will take some time to get used to playing his preferred methods. Fingers crossed we can pull it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 So what was the point in signing the inexperienced (at this level) Zoltan? How about giving him a chance before passing judgment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Think your right Nick. The way i see it if we kept up with the points return from the first 28 games into the last 16 we would be down. The last 2 games with the right mix of players and formation have made a huge difference. Having an actual goal scorer in the team gives us a chance to survive. Saga has almost scored half of what DMG has scored in just 2 games. If only he had the 30 games DMG has had hey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2009 He appointed Wigley after Gray, Nearly appointed Wotte and A.N. Other after Redknapp, and followed it through on his return. I don't think he wil ever stop 'innovating.' He is too arrogant in his own view, and that is why I want him gone. IF it is a subtle change I would suggest it is not a case of RL being arrogant, it would be that he has it in him to accept what is best will be done for the club. I also would not expect the OS to come out and proclaim things have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Think your right Nick. The way i see it if we kept up with the points return from the first 28 games into the last 16 we would be down. The last 2 games with the right mix of players and formation have made a huge difference. Having an actual goal scorer in the team gives us a chance to survive. Saga has almost scored half of what DMG has scored in just 2 games. If only he had the 30 games DMG has had hey. I dojnt think you should be bahing DMG over Sagas goals, if he had been played up front for 25+ games on his own I doubt Saga would have been so prolific.It is a case of a change of emphasis up front that has helped Saga.Lets not get carried away Saga may not get that average for the rest of the season.We need goals from all parts of the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSaint75 Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Who said RL knows anything about it, he's on holiday and may want to go back to the nippers on his return?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Who said RL knows anything about it, he's on holiday and may want to go back to the nippers on his return?? LOL. Can just imagine Lowe getting The Telegraph two days late and spitting his coffee out all over the paper, as he reads the line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I dojnt think you should be bahing DMG over Sagas goals, if he had been played up front for 25+ games on his own I doubt Saga would have been so prolific.It is a case of a change of emphasis up front that has helped Saga.Lets not get carried away Saga may not get that average for the rest of the season.We need goals from all parts of the pitch The thing is though Sagas goals have been more about instinct (a goal scorers brain) then anything else. I'm not bashing DMG but you can see there is a huge gulf in ability between him and Saga. I'm sure if Saga played on his own he would have more goals then what DMG has. I keep seeing all those chances he has missed through the season, i don't think Saga,John or Rasiak would of missed those. But as you say it is not just DMG, we have failed to contribute goals as a team. The shape looks better now so hopefully that will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2009 The thing is though Sagas goals have been more about instinct (a goal scorers brain) then anything else. I'm not bashing DMG but you can see there is a huge gulf in ability between him and Saga. I'm sure if Saga played on his own he would have more goals then what DMG has. I keep seeing all those chances he has missed through the season, i don't think Saga,John or Rasiak would of missed those. But as you say it is not just DMG, we have failed to contribute goals as a team. The shape looks better now so hopefully that will change.Saga has done well long may be it so, but saturday he did have my heart in my mouth when he nearly co##ed it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Only an idiot would have persisted with playing the kids and having a dutch head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 LOL. Can just imagine Lowe getting The Telegraph two days late and spitting his coffee out all over the paper, as he reads the line up. heheheheh Its an interesting thought. Lowe could never survive booting another manager out, so Wotte can effectively extend his middle digit to any attempt to interfere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 It seems that way, fingers crossed. But why has it taken over 6 months and a change of manager and all this heartache to realise that when 90% of people on here recognised that in July?[/QUOTE] Easy ... because it was the doctrine of Rupert "I am always right" Lowe ....... and if Lowe Luvvies disagree with that, they are thicker than even I thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2009 It seems that way, fingers crossed. But why has it taken over 6 months and a change of manager and all this heartache to realise that when 90% of people on here recognised that in July?[/QUOTE] Easy ... because it was the doctrine of Rupert "I am always right" Lowe ....... and if Lowe Luvvies disagree with that, they are thicker than even I thought Coming fro the expert on the subject.Lol . The person who thinks that administration is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I'd love Wotton to lump Morgan one, if there's one player in this league that deserves to be kicked it's him. Morgan is out injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Nickh, Are you suggesting that the players have more respect for Wotte ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Nickh, Are you suggesting that the players have more respect for Wotte ?Im not sure.Im perhaps saying that the organisation is more structured and the players may just understand a little more what is required of each one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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