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Setting aside all the off field issues, there is only one thing short term that can save us.

 

That is EVERY single player giving 110%, for every second of every game.

 

Does our management understand this??

 

Fighting spirit is all that is left to us.

 

So are our players in training this morning? Working harder on getting fitter, quicker, improving their corner taking, set pieces, stepping up and back as a foursome, defending from the front, chasing, harrying??

 

 

Above all, since we have the worst GD in the league, are we running a shooting clinic this morning? And a defensive drill? For hour after hour?

 

I bloody well hope so.

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if course the players give a ****.....the fact is, they are not that gerat and have an even worse management team above them

 

I agree, I just hope to God the management ARE doing everythng they can to improve them and instill the disciplines needed to get us out of this mess, but so far yesterday's match reports, reaction and recent events, do not give me great hope...

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I agree, I just hope to God the management ARE doing everythng they can to improve them and instill the disciplines needed to get us out of this mess, but so far yesterday's match reports, reaction and recent events, do not give me great hope...

i read the reports from yesterdays game and we did plenty to get something out of it..sure we did not but the chamces were there...???

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i read the reports from yesterdays game and we did plenty to get something out of it..sure we did not but the chamces were there...???

 

Not what some are saying. We were outplayed and outbattled in quite a few reports. Although hard to tell because the general malaise clouds all views...

 

The one report I do not trust is the OS and manager's reactions!!

 

As for chances, this is why we need a shooting clinic. We have too many shots to score so few goals.

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I think the problem with most of our young players is that they are just happy to be a proffesional footballer. Win, lose or draw it makes little difference, they can still **** it up round town with their mates as billy big ******.

 

In a way getting relegated could be a good career move for half of them, at least they can play at being a pro at more their level next season. If we stay up and a real manager comes in, most of them know it will be "do you want fries with that" pretty soon.

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I think the problem with most of our young players is that they are just happy to be a proffesional footballer. Win, lose or draw it makes little difference, they can still **** it up round town with their mates as billy big ******.

 

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what a crock of crap

 

last season (around this time) this place was full of "let the kids have a go they cant do worse than the mercenaries"...

 

now we have given them a chance................

 

the problem was not giving billy davies the job after dodd and gorman left or in the summer...

 

if we gave him the job we would be a few places higher IMO

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what a crock of crap

 

last season (around this time) this place was full of "let the kids have a go they cant do worse than the mercenaries"...

 

now we have given them a chance................

 

the problem was not giving billy davies the job after dodd and gorman left or in the summer...

 

if we gave him the job we would be a few places higher IMO

 

I think there's a problem with some of our younger players thinking they are better than they are (McG fits this category) and others who simply aren't good enough - yet!

 

And the yet is the caveat. Some may never be. Some will although we have probably put their careers back a few years.

 

I am proud of players like LLoyd James who have simply knuckled down to the task and genuinely improved over the season.

 

The trouble is you can't have half the team learning for half the season...

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what a crock of crap

 

last season (around this time) this place was full of "let the kids have a go they cant do worse than the mercenaries"...

 

now we have given them a chance................

 

the problem was not giving billy davies the job after dodd and gorman left or in the summer...

 

if we gave him the job we would be a few places higher IMO

 

This place is full of all sorts of crap, we even had some gimps at the start of the season backing this dumb Dutch plan.

 

I agree about the manager though, if we are being forced to play kids (15 players brought in means we were not) then it was absolutely vital to bring in an experienced manager + coach. Someone who knows the Championship back to front and can spot which players are up to the job straight away. Also an experienced manager would give the right players a kick up the ass and the right players a bit of encouragement.

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what a crock of crap

 

last season (around this time) this place was full of "let the kids have a go they cant do worse than the mercenaries"...

 

now we have given them a chance................

 

the problem was not giving billy davies the job after dodd and gorman left or in the summer...

 

if we gave him the job we would be a few places higher IMO

 

You're right & wrong TDD.

 

IMO, you are wrong that you think it's a crock of *rap.

 

However you are right that much of that is to do with the choice of manager. Yes the kids deserved a chance after what the so-called experienced pro's did last season, but not all at the same time and they needed to right guidance behind them. In JP & Wotte, they have not had that - I dare say that Billy Davies would have been good, as would Pearson.

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Setting aside all the off field issues, there is only one thing short term that can save us.

 

That is EVERY single player giving 110%, for every second of every game.

 

Does our management understand this??

 

Fighting spirit is all that is left to us.

 

So are our players in training this morning? Working harder on getting fitter, quicker, improving their corner taking, set pieces, stepping up and back as a foursome, defending from the front, chasing, harrying??

 

 

Above all, since we have the worst GD in the league, are we running a shooting clinic this morning? And a defensive drill? For hour after hour?

 

I bloody well hope so.

You can't polish a turd. At least Wotte The **** can't...

It might be better to give them the whole week off, that way they won't learn any more from this embarrassing excuse for a coach.

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No definitely true have witnesses and we all couldnt believe it but then guess they must be given some food before being dropped off for their night on the town.

 

Oh, this is a FERKING disgrace and it upsets me more than anything else.

 

For pity's sake.

 

I could run this club better.

 

All that bloody investment in an eye-gym and ths players can stuff themselves on a nice Sloppy Guiseppe...

 

Where is our dietician making sure the players, following games, have the correct food? Surely, they should be having stuff that replaces lost lactic acid and rebuilds lost energy with really 'good' carbs.

 

I'm no expert but even I know that athletes eat pasta, fresh fish, proteins and low-fat carbs, etc.

 

This is a bloody nonsense. What was it, one of their bithrday's? Tuck into jelly and ice cream after maybe...

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Sorry, I thought this was common Knowledge that they either have pizza or KFC after a game? Usually it's pizza, and I know this because my neighbour's little kid was mascot for one of the games last season and his mum told me that the coaching staff were handing out pizza hut menus to the players about an hour before kick off to make their choices. Apparently some other clubs do this as it's cheaper than providing own food cooked on site.

 

They also liked KFC but weren't allowed chips with it, just chicken and corn on the cob and beans, Apparently BWP's favourite is chicken and onion rings from KFC. I think the club restaurants/caterers can't get home-cooked food down the dressing room in time to feed corporates AND the players or something...

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Sorry, I thought this was common Knowledge that they either have pizza or KFC after a game? Usually it's pizza, and I know this because my neighbour's little kid was mascot for one of the games last season and his mum told me that the coaching staff were handing out pizza hut menus to the players about an hour before kick off to make their choices. Apparently some other clubs do this as it's cheaper than providing own food cooked on site.

 

They also liked KFC but weren't allowed chips with it, just chicken and corn on the cob and beans, Apparently BWP's favourite is chicken and onion rings from KFC. I think the club restaurants/caterers can't get home-cooked food down the dressing room in time to feed corporates AND the players or something...

 

Which other clubs' players eat junk food, supplied by their team, after the game? And what division/position are they in the football league?

 

Thanks.

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Sorry, I thought this was common Knowledge that they either have pizza or KFC after a game? Usually it's pizza, and I know this because my neighbour's little kid was mascot for one of the games last season and his mum told me that the coaching staff were handing out pizza hut menus to the players about an hour before kick off to make their choices. Apparently some other clubs do this as it's cheaper than providing own food cooked on site.

 

They also liked KFC but weren't allowed chips with it, just chicken and corn on the cob and beans, Apparently BWP's favourite is chicken and onion rings from KFC. I think the club restaurants/caterers can't get home-cooked food down the dressing room in time to feed corporates AND the players or something...

 

Please, please, please tell me you are making this up?

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Sorry, I thought this was common Knowledge that they either have pizza or KFC after a game? Usually it's pizza, and I know this because my neighbour's little kid was mascot for one of the games last season and his mum told me that the coaching staff were handing out pizza hut menus to the players about an hour before kick off to make their choices. Apparently some other clubs do this as it's cheaper than providing own food cooked on site.

 

They also liked KFC but weren't allowed chips with it, just chicken and corn on the cob and beans, Apparently BWP's favourite is chicken and onion rings from KFC. I think the club restaurants/caterers can't get home-cooked food down the dressing room in time to feed corporates AND the players or something...

 

So, we have the absolute best catering in the entire world [bar none!!!], but we can't knock up a bit of Chicken Alfredo for 20 odd people on a Saturday afternoon :rolleyes:

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Sorry, I thought this was common Knowledge that they either have pizza or KFC after a game? Usually it's pizza, and I know this because my neighbour's little kid was mascot for one of the games last season and his mum told me that the coaching staff were handing out pizza hut menus to the players about an hour before kick off to make their choices. Apparently some other clubs do this as it's cheaper than providing own food cooked on site.

 

They also liked KFC but weren't allowed chips with it, just chicken and corn on the cob and beans, Apparently BWP's favourite is chicken and onion rings from KFC. I think the club restaurants/caterers can't get home-cooked food down the dressing room in time to feed corporates AND the players or something...

 

Surely we should get them a happy meal?

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KFC don't do onion rings. Make of that what you will....

 

Yes they did do apparently. Not that I've ever tried 'em. Just going on what I was told from my neighbour. She said she was surprised that pro footballers ate KFC and pizza but just thought they burnt off the excess calories during the warm down so...?

 

Pizzas are a regular occurence in the dressing rooms of many Lg 1 and 2 clubs, after the game. And at Arsenal apparently. Fergie got hit by a piece a few years ago after they played Man U allegedly. I said allegedly. It was never proven.

 

Corporate meals take time to prepare and so the club tends to ensure that paying clients are given priority to the restaurant kitchen on match days. It's a sad state of affairs when the club can't offer it's own team food from it's kitchens after a match. On the plus side though, the pizzas do seem to get delivered quickly at the end of a game, so no-one can complain they're starving after running about like headless chickens for the previous 90+ minutes.

 

The players also eat Jaffa cakes at half time, and some are allowed hot chocolate at h/t as well. It's all energy. They do burn it off after though, unlike me....

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Yes they did do apparently. Not that I've ever tried 'em. Just going on what I was told from my neighbour. She said she was surprised that pro footballers ate KFC and pizza but just thought they burnt off the excess calories during the warm down so...?

 

Pizzas are a regular occurence in the dressing rooms of many Lg 1 and 2 clubs, after the game. And at Arsenal apparently. Fergie got hit by a piece a few years ago after they played Man U allegedly. I said allegedly. It was never proven.

 

Corporate meals take time to prepare and so the club tends to ensure that paying clients are given priority to the restaurant kitchen on match days. It's a sad state of affairs when the club can't offer it's own team food from it's kitchens after a match. On the plus side though, the pizzas do seem to get delivered quickly at the end of a game, so no-one can complain they're starving after running about like headless chickens for the previous 90+ minutes.

 

The players also eat Jaffa cakes at half time, and some are allowed hot chocolate at h/t as well. It's all energy. They do burn it off after though, unlike me....

 

 

all good points

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all good points

 

Thanks!! This is more common than I suspect a lot of people are aware of, especially in clubs who are committed to providing players with some semblance of hot food which will be eaten, rather than chucked on the floor or in the bin. It's also different to their pre-match meal, which presumably the club also provides from it's own kitchens as it has to be more balanced and light enough to play football on three-odd hours later.

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Don't have too much of a problem with them eating pizzas etc AFTER a game, jaffa cakes also during game (half time) are good. The issue is what they eat the rest of the week leading up to the game, and especially the day before/morning of a match - that is the important time.

 

I do wonder about ANYONE eating KFC though, thats just plain nasty, cheap and low quality like MacDonalds. Went off KFC may years ago when I saw a notice scrawled on a toliet door in the factory where I worked - "Kentucky Fried Wombat - Its toenail picking good" :)

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article2213722.ece?OTC-RSS&ATTR=Football

 

People shouldn't start getting carried away by this whole pizza thing. Some clubs have players who gorge themselves on jelly babies or jelly beans at half time.

 

If they were eating like that every day, then I'd be worried.

 

I'm sure most don't. Unfortunately, I also remember bumping into the reserves at Fleet services after an away game somewhere and they were all hanging round Burger King in their tracksuits. And the fruit machines.....

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article2213722.ece?OTC-RSS&ATTR=Football

 

People shouldn't start getting carried away by this whole pizza thing. Some clubs have players who gorge themselves on jelly babies or jelly beans at half time.

 

If they were eating like that every day, then I'd be worried.

 

 

 

In fact jelly babies and jelly beans are an excellent source of energy.

They're made from glucose syrup rather than raw sugar.Ask any fairly serious athlete about the energy effects of jelly babies,some scoff them during marathons and stuff.

Don't whisper this too loud but they're a better energy source than all those high priced energy drinks. Probably not on the remineralisation front but for energy can't beat JBs.

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I'm sure most don't. Unfortunately, I also remember bumping into the reserves at Fleet services after an away game somewhere and they were all hanging round Burger King in their tracksuits. And the fruit machines.....

 

That's why in this country, players fade down the leagues as they get older, yet in Italy you have people like Paolo Maldini still playing at the top level at 40. It's a question of lifestyle and it's up to the club to enforce that.

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In fact jelly babies and jelly beans are an excellent source of energy.

They're made from glucose syrup rather than raw sugar.Ask any fairly serious athlete about the energy effects of jelly babies,some scoff them during marathons and stuff.

Don't whisper this too loud but they're a better energy source than all those high priced energy drinks. Probably not on the remineralisation front but for energy can't beat JBs.

Quite right, people are getting het up about what players are eating and dringking immediately after or even during a game. This is not an issue. Its what they do during the build up to the game that is important. After a game its a case of replenishment. I attended an FA conference a couple of years back where the top FA dietician for the England youth teams stated categorically that the best drink during a game was Coke. I was somewhat taken aback, the only thing is it should be taken 50/50 with water. Evidently better than any of these so called high performance. Jaffa cakes also are one of the best sources of energy during half-time etc. I suspect the reason why the players are so eager to scoff pizza etc straight after a match is because it is the only time they are allowed to do so. Good diet is great but it can also be very boring.

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I attended an FA conference a couple of years back where the top FA dietician for the England youth teams stated categorically that the best drink during a game was Coke. I was somewhat taken aback, the only thing is it should be taken 50/50 with water.

I am sorry but I cannot take seriously any professional dietician who recommends fizzy drinks to be taken while exercising.

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I am sorry but I cannot take seriously any professional dietician who recommends fizzy drinks to be taken while exercising.

 

You knock out the bubbles by leaving it open or in the glass/beaker.

Ask Jimmy Connors, he knocked back flat coke during games throughout his career, still managed to turn in some decent games at 40.

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You knock out the bubbles by leaving it open or in the glass/beaker.

Ask Jimmy Connors, he knocked back flat coke during games throughout his career, still managed to turn in some decent games at 40.

Fair enough - that might reduce the heartburn/stomach bloating.

I still find the idea that the BEST drink available in 2009 for any athlete is watered down flat coke a bit odd ;).

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Fair enough - that might reduce the heartburn/stomach bloating.

I still find the idea that the BEST drink available in 2009 for any athlete is watered down flat coke a bit odd ;).

 

 

 

Coke is good,not a fan myself but it is very mineral rich plus sugars plus caffeine (which some say stimulates glucolyse, that's why until recent times it was banned in high doses in some sports).

Anyway Burn (made by CocaCola) is just very concentrated flat Coke,maybe a bit of Guarana in there as well, same as Dark Dog.

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Quite right, people are getting het up about what players are eating and dringking immediately after or even during a game. This is not an issue. Its what they do during the build up to the game that is important. After a game its a case of replenishment. I attended an FA conference a couple of years back where the top FA dietician for the England youth teams stated categorically that the best drink during a game was Coke. I was somewhat taken aback, the only thing is it should be taken 50/50 with water. Evidently better than any of these so called high performance. Jaffa cakes also are one of the best sources of energy during half-time etc. I suspect the reason why the players are so eager to scoff pizza etc straight after a match is because it is the only time they are allowed to do so. Good diet is great but it can also be very boring.

 

Too right. And a lot of clubs in this country do provide pizza, chicken or, in some instances in the non-leagues, fish and chips on the coach home. My job and social life means that I'm often driving between Hants and London/Essex and so have the (mainly unwanted) familiarity with Fleet services, and the amount of footie teams who have either played us, Skates or Bournemouth and are nipping back up north and have stopped there for a "meal" is unbelievable. In the past year alone I've seen our ressies and youth teams and players from practically every CCC team and leagues below munching on chicken, pizzas, burgers, full fat coke, orange juice.....you get the picture. It's like a **** World Cup in there some evenings.

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Look, I just cannot believe all this nonsense.

 

Professional athletes eat a balanced diet and fast food has no place within a balanced diet.

 

Maybe Pizzas prepared by the club chef so he can guarantee all natural ingredients, freshly prepared??

 

But from Pizza Hut?? Nothing against them - but sugars, additives? Who knows what's in there - HVO????

 

An occasional pizza during the week sure, with a nice salad and some virgin olive oil no problem.

 

But you're dehydrated after a game, you've burned off god knows how many calories and you replace it with KFC????

 

Please, find me a profesional football club dietician who confirms this is a) common place and b) of benefit.

 

I don't believe it.

 

As for the Jelly beans, that's cricketers and usually starts a row... ;)

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