Saint Billy Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Is the question to all those who could not see Lowes plan at the start of the season ending as it has now. How on earth anyone could be taken in by this jokers masterplan is beyond belief. To all those luvvies out there that blame the fans for the for the decline of SFC, I put it to you that on the contrary, you and your acceptance and welcoming of this man means that you are guilty of Aiding and Abetting Lowe destroy our club. This includes those within the club that enabled him to cast his darkness once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnnyFartPants Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Is the question to all those who could not see Lowes plan at the start of the season ending as it has now. How on earth anyone could be taken in by this jokers masterplan is beyond belief. To all those luvvies out there that blame the fans for the for the decline of SFC, I put it to you that on the contrary, you and your acceptance and welcoming of this man means that you are guilty of Aiding and Abetting Lowe destroy our club. This includes those within the club that enabled him to cast his darkness once again. Brilliant. A very well thought out contribution and worthy of it's own thread due to it's unique content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Is the question to all those who could not see Lowes plan at the start of the season ending as it has now. How on earth anyone could be taken in by this jokers masterplan is beyond belief. To all those luvvies out there that blame the fans for the for the decline of SFC, I put it to you that on the contrary, you and your acceptance and welcoming of this man means that you are guilty of Aiding and Abetting Lowe destroy our club. This includes those within the club that enabled him to cast his darkness once again. Shame you didn't have the tact to say that without resorting to insults Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Is the question to all those who could not see Lowes plan at the start of the season ending as it has now. How on earth anyone could be taken in by this jokers masterplan is beyond belief. To all those luvvies out there that blame the fans for the for the decline of SFC, I put it to you that on the contrary, you and your acceptance and welcoming of this man means that you are guilty of Aiding and Abetting Lowe destroy our club. This includes those within the club that enabled him to cast his darkness once again. You are absolutely right, of course. I find it all amusing amongst all the current talk of non-attendance and boycotts, it has been conveniently forgotten that some of us advocated this during the summer, knowing (apparently the not-so) bleeding obvious, that the latest version of Lowe's arrogant yet half-baked plan would also fail and that he only cares about the bottom line, hit that and he takes notice. If people had taken the neccessary action in the summer, we could barely have fewer points by, and would either have been rid of JP and RL earlier and well on the road to recovery in this league, or have already gone through administration, would have new management in place planning next years strategy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 You are absolutely right, of course. I find it all amusing amongst all the current talk of non-attendance and boycotts, it has been conveniently forgotten that some of us advocated this during the summer, knowing (apparently the not-so) bleeding obvious, that the latest version of Lowe's arrogant yet half-baked plan would also fail and that he only cares about the bottom line, hit that and he takes notice. If people had taken the neccessary action in the summer, we could barely have fewer points by, and would either have been rid of JP and RL earlier and well on the road to recovery in this league, or have already gone through administration, would have new management in place planning next years strategy... I dont many weren't sceptical about the scheme but were understanding enough to realiser that the clubs finances were out of control and so drastic measures had to be taken.It wasnt a case of not realising that it was risky but we had a party and the hangover had to be got over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 I dont many weren't sceptical about the scheme but were understanding enough to realiser that the clubs finances were out of control and so drastic measures had to be taken.It wasnt a case of not realising that it was risky but we had a party and the hangover had to be got over. Great. Lowe has cured the hangover by taking cyanide instread of aspirin. I suppose the headache is gone............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Great. Lowe has cured the hangover by taking cyanide instread of aspirin. I suppose the headache is gone............i dont understand where you are coming from on that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Even now Lowe still has his supporters, they just want to be different...pratts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 i dont understand where you are coming from on that one It was your analogy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Is the question to all those who could not see Lowes plan at the start of the season ending as it has now. How on earth anyone could be taken in by this jokers masterplan is beyond belief. To all those luvvies out there that blame the fans for the for the decline of SFC, I put it to you that on the contrary, you and your acceptance and welcoming of this man means that you are guilty of Aiding and Abetting Lowe destroy our club. This includes those within the club that enabled him to cast his darkness once again. To be honest I find it insulting that you consider anyone that didn't do an Emmeline Pankhurst to be a luvvie. Most people accepted the financial situation as dire and realised action needed to be taken. Coming on here with your hindsight logic and "I told you so" mutterings doesn't make you come across as a soothsayer, but more a prat. I don't think many expected us to run away with the league but most were willing to gamble, especially since Englands greatest manager since the war and all our brilliant older heads only narrowly avoided the drop on the last day of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 I dont many weren't sceptical about the scheme but were understanding enough to realiser that the clubs finances were out of control and so drastic measures had to be taken.It wasnt a case of not realising that it was risky but we had a party and the hangover had to be got over. Again, you raise this, so again it must be answered. The club's finances were out of control because??????????...........oh yes, Rupes got us relegated, and then his now best buddy, employed a load of jokers, who cost the club a sh*t load of money we could ill afford. Don't make out that your hero took over a sinking ship, he was the one who detonated the scupper charges..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 If people had taken the neccessary action in the summer, we could barely have fewer points by, and would either have been rid of JP and RL earlier and well on the road to recovery in this league, or have already gone through administration, would have new management in place planning next years strategy... Ha ha ... classic - Could you please explain WHO should be taking the 'necessary action and what that action should be? From where I'm standing the only way to remove them is shareholder action. Or should everyone have protesteed before the season even started? Jeez its comedy central here today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Ha ha ... classic - Could you please explain WHO should be taking the 'necessary action and what that action should be? From where I'm standing the only way to remove them is shareholder action. Or should everyone have protesteed before the season even started? Jeez its comedy central here today. Everyone except idiots like you could predict exactly how this season was going to go down under Lowe. It would have been easy to turn the financial thumbscrew from the summer, but noooooo, wet blankets like you wrung their hands and decided to give him the benefit of the doubt. I hope you and your ilk are enjoying the mess you helped to create.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Again, you raise this, so again it must be answered. The club's finances were out of control because??????????...........oh yes, Rupes got us relegated, and then his now best buddy, employed a load of jokers, who cost the club a sh*t load of money we could ill afford. Don't make out that your hero took over a sinking ship, he was the one who detonated the scupper charges..... Cutting costs is very very easy. Cutting costs whilst maintaining an acceptable level of performance is not. I get a little tired of being continually told what a great job has been made of cutting costs. Well, in my book it's not a great job judging by our league position. What about the 10's (even 100's) of thousands that may or may not have been 'saved' by not employing Pearson or loaning out players I hear you say? Well, ask the bank if they'd prefer us a little further in the red but maintaining CCC status and therefore a more realistic opportunity of recouping those funds or dropping down another position. I know what their answer would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Cutting costs is very very easy. Cutting costs whilst maintaining an acceptable level of performance is not. I get a little tired of being continually told what a great job has been made of cutting costs. Well, in my book it's not a great job judging by our league position. Its absolutely astonishing the amount of people on here who simply do not get that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 What a pile of twonk. Everyone wants the club to do well, they just differ in the ways they think this can be achieved. Crowing about the demise of our great club because it proves you right? Yeah, well done - you're sooo clevva! My opinion is that we are deep in the financial do-do and that any action taken to reduce the wage bill had to be radical. The BIG question is not whether it had to be as radical as it was (i.e. did we have to play youth as much as we did, or was a better blend possible - how much was a desire by Lowe to make his 'experiment' work, how much was financial necessity). Was Lowe trying to solve the financial problem too quickly? It would be interesting to know what the monthly wage bill is now vs. last season. That would be the true measure of what was possible. My guess is because Skacel/Euell are still on the books, not as low as was desired (from a business / balancing the books point of view). Fact is that it is in no-one's interest to be relegated - certainly not Lowe's. My guess is that he would see it as preferable to administration, but the one probably makes the other almost inevitable (it depends on how savage the cost cutting has been / can be). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Cutting costs is very very easy. Cutting costs whilst maintaining an acceptable level of performance is not. I get a little tired of being continually told what a great job has been made of cutting costs. Well, in my book it's not a great job judging by our league position. What about the 10's (even 100's) of thousands that may or may not have been 'saved' by not employing Pearson or loaning out players I hear you say? Well, ask the bank if they'd prefer us a little further in the red but maintaining CCC status and therefore a more realistic opportunity of recouping those funds or dropping down another position. I know what their answer would be. Nail Head Hit The On Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Everyone except idiots like you could predict exactly how this season was going to go down under Lowe. It would have been easy to turn the financial thumbscrew from the summer, but noooooo, wet blankets like you wrung their hands and decided to give him the benefit of the doubt. I hope you and your ilk are enjoying the mess you helped to create.. Matey, you seem a bit deluded in your ability to change things, don't you? Imagine that you and me bought a house together and were major shareholders in it. Also imagine many others had a stake in that house too. Then one day you wanted me to not be an owner of that house anymore but you were not going to offer any money to make me go. What happens? Nothing. It really is as simple as that. On top of this, the person you want out currently has enough of the other people that co-own your house on his side to be allowed to run it. Doug Ellis was the man at Villa for as many years as he wanted to be, and he was never really well liked, but owning something it pretty much the final say on things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Do we really need another thread like this? Please if you have a generic anti/pro-Lowe rant then there are plenty of other threads on the forum to contribute to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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