thorpie the sinner Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 (edited) It seems that the players basically aren't up for the fight! Friday was abject as best. I have reconciled myself with league 1 now and am trying to look forward! We are in a dire situation, in administration, and with a future possibly bleaker than anything Dickens could have imagined. However, you have to hope! We hear that maybe three of the bidders are serious and have the money to secure our future and maybe take us forward! With that in mind, I can start looking to the future. my hopes are that we have a completely fresh ownership with no relics from the past. With that comes fresh ideas, a whole new approach to make our club proud again! So what if we are in league 1, we will still support the club we love! With a solid foundation, no inhouse fighting, I can't see any reason why we can't do a Leicester and come straight back up. the fun element of winning games may come back to to the club!! Even if it is Huddersfield we have beaten, it will still make the walk over Itchen Bridge a much jauntier affair!! the phoenix may well rise from the ashes of the last few years!! I look for a solid owner interested in returning Saints to former glories, a new vibrant manager to take us forward, the fans with smiles on their faces again, and a successful 2010. The other option just doesn't bear thinking about! Edited 12 April, 2009 by thorpie the sinner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Yep, I have a strange feeling that long-term this season might be seen as a turning point for the club With a completely new board, new management, get rid of the slackers and prima donnas, and start re-building in League 1 The enthusiasm will be ignited again for many fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 It's going to be a bit like Cambodia's 'Year Zero' in 1975 when the Khmer Rouge seized power , except without Pol Pot's leadership and with a lower body count obviously . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 If we go down this season, then I agree. The problem with the few years we've been in the CCC is that we've been living under the delusion that we'll get promoted. Forget the past, this is here and now. We need to start afresh, lose the big earners, the prima donnas and the underperforming players, appoint a manager for the long term, not the short term (if that's Wotte then so be it), and sort the damn finances out. I said it earlier in the season, but we really need to hit rock bottom. A place we can slump to that, in the fans eyes, cannot be any worse. A 10 point deduction next season in League One would, in my eyes at least, be it. Then we can look forwards with a long term plan. A plan that could, perhaps, be Premiership football in a 10 year time scale. Of course this would require patience, but it needs to be done. We have some players I'd expect us to retain. McLaggon, Gobern, Mill, Gillett, all did jobs when they came on this season. Would DMg go? He'd be superb in League One. Get ride of the playing staff such as Rasiak, Saga, John, Skacel, and start afresh. Fingers crossed for next season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzpop Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Just hope we still have a club at the end of April let alone next season. :smt086 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 It seems that the players basically aren't up for the fight! Friday was abject as best. I have reconciled myself with league 1 now and am trying to look forward! We are in a dire situation, in administration, and with a future possibly bleaker than anything Dickens could have imagined. However, you have to hope! We hear that maybe three of the bidders are serious and have the money to secure our future and maybe take us forward! With that in mind, I can start looking to the future. my hopes are that we have a completely fresh ownership with no relics from the past. With that comes fresh ideas, a whole new approach to make our club proud again! So what if we are in league 1, we will still support the club we love! With a solid foundation, no inhouse fighting, I can't see any reason why we can't do a Leicester and come straight back up. the fun element of winning games may come back to to the club!! Even if it is Huddersfield we have beaten, it will still make the walk over Itchen Bridge a much jauntier affair!! the phoenix may well rise from the ashes of the last few years!! I look for a solid owner interested in returning Saints to former glories, a new vibrant manager to take us forward, the fans with smiles on their faces again, and a successful 2010. The other option just doesn't bear thinking about! This pretty well sums up where I am on all this. As I said in another thread, the darkest hour is just before dawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 It's going to be a bit like Cambodia's 'Year Zero' in 1975 when the Khmer Rouge seized power , except without Pol Pot's leadership and with a lower body count obviously . All the bankers would die. All the foreigners would die too so that's a whole lot off the wage bill. Sounds a good plan, although I hope the masses in control have a pot (no pun intended) to p!zz in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 I'm not convinced the players are the problem. Look at Leicester. The key thing is to get the RIGHT MANAGER with the right backing from the board and to have a full pre-season of build-up, training, fitness and motivation work to hit the ground running. We write players off like HBOS writes off debt at this club. Most of them can do a job (Wotton aside ) - they just need: Organisation Motivation Discipline Fitness Desire Belief! These are instilled by a team ethic, work ethic and commitment ethic. These are down to the infrastructure and management at the club. Players in form get picked, out of form get dropped. Players play for one another and the club. Players try from 1 minute to 95 minutes. This tone can be set from the board and MUST be instilled by the manager. To jettison quality players because they have been mismanaged, played out of position, under-trained and demotivated/demoralised would be a mistake. Most of them are not the sharpest knives in the drawer and at the moment are simply confused by the Dutch nonsense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Yep, I have a strange feeling that long-term this season might be seen as a turning point for the club With a completely new board, new management, get rid of the slackers and prima donnas, and start re-building in League 1 The enthusiasm will be ignited again for many fans Steady....you'll be accused of being in the "Admin is great. That's all I ever wanted in life" club by certain interpretationalists on here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Like Thorpie, I HOPE we can get through this and out the other side. But excuse me for not voting for a "Fresh" start..... Simply because for the past how many years, we have had revolutions, innovation and new hope just about every godarned season. What i would dream of is a simple "back to basics" approach - no mention of business plans, no knowledge of break-even numbers just - the squad is this, we can/cannot buy anyone else and that is it It starts with the management structure obviously but on day one of the new regime, the primary task MUST be to get the playing staff FIT enough to be able to play competitive football. Anyone who walks in and says they're doing eye exercises, tippy tappy keepy uppy ball work, Brazilian Beach Football, or simply special dietary training I think I'd just about explode Let's just worry about the darned FOOTBALL side of things for a change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Like Thorpie, I HOPE we can get through this and out the other side. But excuse me for not voting for a "Fresh" start..... Simply because for the past how many years, we have had revolutions, innovation and new hope just about every godarned season. What i would dream of is a simple "back to basics" approach - no mention of business plans, no knowledge of break-even numbers just - the squad is this, we can/cannot buy anyone else and that is it It starts with the management structure obviously but on day one of the new regime, the primary task MUST be to get the playing staff FIT enough to be able to play competitive football. Anyone who walks in and says they're doing eye exercises, tippy tappy keepy uppy ball work, Brazilian Beach Football, or simply special dietary training I think I'd just about explode Let's just worry about the darned FOOTBALL side of things for a change Amen. Look after the first team, the rest will run itself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Amen. Look after the first team, the rest will run itself! Before you get buried under incoming :smt070:smt070:smt067:smt067:minigun::minigun: Might I add look after the first team and have professionals to make sure the back office is managed to support the football operations.... Think there may have been a bit of "run itself" ness in the past year or so - hence the mess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Everything works in a great big cycle - wether its the economy, the housing market, our health, work, our luck etc etc. There will be good times that will turn into bad times that will turn to good again and at the moment we are at the bottom looking up, desperately, for those good times...BUT they will come again, maybe not next year, or the one after, but eventually our luck will turn. You could argue, if you believe that what goes around comes around that we used most of our good luck in those relegation fending off seasons in the premiership, and this lot is balancing out the often very good fortune (and MLT !! ) that we had then. You have to believe there will be a bright future down the line for Southampton FC, otherwise what is the point - we may as well give up and go home now - and I am not giving up over 30 years of my life supporting this football club cos thats too big an investment to just shrug off and move on. Southampton til i die ? You bet ya !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN MY DAY Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 How many fresh starts and new beginning can this club take, this club is punch drunk and fatigued with bad news poor performance and infighting and thats OFF the pitch. On the pitch they are possibly putting in the worst, most gutless performances in this clubs glorious history, perhaps with one eye on picking up a serious injury with the strong posibility of contracts being ripped up. Im not ashamed i had a lump in my throat at sight of 28k urging on the team at the beginning of the Charlton game and wondered were the fight they displayed against Cardiff had disappeared to. On all these fresh starts and storming League 1 i remember the same rallying call when we entered the Championship, it will be a dogfight down there and with yet another new team. Sad days but i applaud the contenders who are brave enough to put there hard earned money into this shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 12 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Like Thorpie, I HOPE we can get through this and out the other side. But excuse me for not voting for a "Fresh" start..... Simply because for the past how many years, we have had revolutions, innovation and new hope just about every godarned season. What i would dream of is a simple "back to basics" approach - no mention of business plans, no knowledge of break-even numbers just - the squad is this, we can/cannot buy anyone else and that is it It starts with the management structure obviously but on day one of the new regime, the primary task MUST be to get the playing staff FIT enough to be able to play competitive football. Anyone who walks in and says they're doing eye exercises, tippy tappy keepy uppy ball work, Brazilian Beach Football, or simply special dietary training I think I'd just about explode Let's just worry about the darned FOOTBALL side of things for a change Back to basics sounds good! Just worrying about the football, thats an interesting concept!! we can only hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabbie15 Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 I drink to your faith, Beatlesaint, good on yer. If only the people who have run this Club over the last few years had the same attitude and support of our Club, we would not be in this position now. Cannot get any lower, so the only way is up. Here's to good times again soon !!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 really think that for a long term plan we need to keep the academy going. Its a lot of money though, when we will have a wage budget in L1 of maybe £2-3M? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 It's going to be a bit like Cambodia's 'Year Zero' in 1975 when the Khmer Rouge seized power , except without Pol Pot's leadership and with a lower body count obviously . I'd heard he was one of the bidders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 Yep, I have a strange feeling that long-term this season might be seen as a turning point for the club With a completely new board, new management, get rid of the slackers and prima donnas, and start re-building in League 1 The enthusiasm will be ignited again for many fans Fully agree. When I thought we could not sink any lower we did. I think about the players we have out on loan, Rasiak, Stern John, Dyer and realise we could have been more than safe with them in the squad. But money was so tight we just had to release them. I remember talking to someone on the old board when we were in the SISU situation and he told me then that things were bad and that SISU was our only salvation. Lowe and Wilde put a dampers on that well and truly. Now it';s time to sort out a buyer get a good manager in who can take us out of League 1. Paul Ince would be my choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 12 April, 2009 Share Posted 12 April, 2009 really think that for a long term plan we need to keep the academy going. Its a lot of money though, when we will have a wage budget in L1 of maybe £2-3M? i think the Academy may have to cut its own cloth to match our circumstances and stop the younger age groups playing the London clubs etc, many Wessex league teams run academys and our teams up to under 15 should play local sidesetc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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