david in sweden Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 ....as Mark Wotte may find out after the weekend. But today, it's Jurgen Klinsmann's turn. (OK - I know it's not English football) Bayern Munich have given him the chop and he's gone down as another just legendary player who couldn't cut it as top class manager. The list of "failed " managers is very long, especially in a job where your past career quickly disappears from the memory if you lose a few games in a row. In the last couple of years, we've seen several legendary players - come and go - from managerial jobs leaving with tarnished reputations. Roy Keane has just found himself a new job, but others like Ince, Southgate, Brian Robson, Brian Kidd, didn't make it at top level, and Mark Hughes' job hangs in the balance. A long history of failed managers go back to the World Cup heroes of '66. Bobby Moore (rest his soul) Bobby Charlton, Martin Peters all tried their hand without success. Only Jack C. and Ballie had the courage to battle it out in the lower leagues. Hoddle and Keegan had some success in only ONE club, and thereafter even did a poor job as England managers. Successes are very few. Curbishley and Coppell did well enough to survive over a long period. Our own ex-Burley didn't do much else after his glory days at Ipswich. So who are the British successes.....very few when you look at the Premiership. Ferguson, Moyes and O'Neill do well but it's hard to find too many more. 'arry R. seems to have nine lives and always manages to jump ship before the everyone else sees the iceberg...NO sadly, it's all about good foreign trainers. Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal have them all the time.... So ..if we are looking for a good foreign coach..with a great career and a legendary reputation maybe (?) ...we should go for one. I hear that ...Jurgen Klinsmann is available now ..I wonder if ....maybe ..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdearlove Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Guardiola seems to be doing pretty well at Barcelona - 1 year as the manager of their reserves before coming first team manager. They are now flying high - on for a treble and scored something like 145 goals in 55 games. Can we have him please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Gareth Southgate...legendary player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I would say Mark Hughes is a very good manager did wonders with wales and at blackburn. It's only been a season with city and it's not like they have been total crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicMan Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 It seems to me that ex-Scottish players seem to do quite well as managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Gareth Southgate...legendary player? Who went from player to the top flight in one fell swoop I think. 3 years apprenticeship in the lower ranks should be mandatory, reduced to 2 in case of really positive results in those years. Far too many failed managers in the premiership who've had no experience beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Thing with Klinnsman is that he was more of a talisman - a motivator for the world cup squad becaue like very few he has a WC winjners medal to prove he could do it - the tactical nous when with the German national team came from the guy who has the job now Joachim Low. With Bayern, I think to be honest it was more to do with the humiliation at Barcelona - the fact that his 5 best players were out seems to have been overlooked... and teh fact that Barca were unstoppable that night - hes also still elarning his trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Seems an odd time to sack him, 5 games to go - 3 points off the top of the Bundesliga. One would assume that Bayern have a replacement in the wings.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Seems an odd time to sack him, 5 games to go - 3 points off the top of the Bundesliga. One would assume that Bayern have a replacement in the wings.. But if they finish out of the Champions League places they're toast, same as Utd or Arsenal would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Hcdajfu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2009 (edited) It seems to me that ex-Scottish players seem to do quite well as managers. Me too. They are tougher and ..more hungry....plus it's the success thing. A Scot becoming a success in England. What greater accolade can there be? ( Remember Bill Shankly ..who could forget him?) Bring on Billy Connelly! Edited 27 April, 2009 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2009 (edited) Gareth Southgate...legendary player? OK ..not legendary exactly, but did play for England a lot...(far longer than he ought to have ....IMHO)... and had many admirers in the football world. (Correction ; not legend, maybe household name..like Vim or Hoover, maybe he did play sweeper sometimes didn't he ?) Edited 27 April, 2009 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Guardiola seems to be doing pretty well at Barcelona - 1 year as the manager of their reserves before coming first team manager. They are now flying high - on for a treble and scored something like 145 goals in 55 games. Can we have him please? Can he speak English though ? Don't want anyone who can't speak the language and has to use interpreters! ( Tackle him in his backside !.......pi** back to the goalkeeper... ....kick your balls like this !...).........yeah, yeah heard it all before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I would say Mark Hughes is a very good manager did wonders with wales and at blackburn. It's only been a season with city and it's not like they have been total crap We might think so, but will his arab boss? I think he's on the way out - don't hold your breath .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Firstly, why can he "not cut it" after 2 jobs, the first of which was very successful, and the second a tough job but still through to the champions league quarter finals? . At Bayern third place is like finishing last, it just doesn't wash. This is about being in the Champions League next season and nothing else. The 1-0 defeat at home to Schalke was the final straw. they may make it into the Champions League but if they don't it will be disastrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Firstly, why can he "not cut it" after 2 jobs, the first of which was very successful, and the second a tough job but still through to the champions league quarter finals? Some players will make good managers, others won't. But more players get the chance than non-players are they're more well known, plus the toughest part is commanding instant respect, so a football reputation can help that. Many, many top footballers just don't bother with management, perhaps due to having plenty of money, not wanting the stress, and so on. But it's harsh to write off so many careers so early. Southgate gets critcism at boro, but that's a tough job too, they're a small club with few fans and it's tough to attract players there. staying up would be a great achievement. Mark Hughes did well until man city, where I think many managers will struggle with expectations. Steve Bruce has done fairly well wherever he's been. Roy Keane has been up and down, but I wouldn't bet against him doing well long term. Zola seems to be doing a good job now, who know how Shearer will turn out. Surely it has to come down to the individual? I get sick of the generalisation, like after Gray and Wigley, apparently we can't ever promote a coach or have a young manager again. After Wotte and JP we can't have a dutchman again, some would say no foreigners. We can't have MLT because hoddle failed at spurs! As if they're linked. Every person is different and will succeed or fail based on that, not because of general trends. It's a difficult call, Adrians. Three of the best youth coaches we've had (Merrington, Gray and Wigley) couldn't hold down the job for even a season. We'd all like to see an "old favourite" get the job, but Doddsy didn't set the world alight either. Some (former) players just aren't suited to the role. We all like to see MLT just walking across the SMS car park, but he was a one-off and I can't see him in a coaching role, or running a tough training session! This is now a young squad, a VERY young squad and I think the father-figure roles like Ted Bates and Lawrie Mac. are not appropriate just now. You need a younger / pref. former international player / who they can admire, respect and be scared sh*t le** of...all at the same time. Preferably someone with a past connection with the club, so they don't look at it as just another job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 At Bayern third place is like finishing last, it just doesn't wash. This is about being in the Champions League next season and nothing else. The 1-0 defeat at home to Schalke was the final straw. they may make it into the Champions League but if they don't it will be disastrous. Still seems an unusual time to sack him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Still seems an unusual time to sack him That's the Aryan mentality for you, there is only black and white, never grey. He lost ,he's out,never noticed that our favourite Austrian resident uses the same sort of yardstick? Must be something they put in the toothpaste east of the Rhine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 But today, it's Jurgen Klinsmann's turn. Bayern Munich have given him the chop and he's gone down Nothing changes then, he was always going down in the box, diving bastard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Still apparently they've got Jupp Heynkes in , not a bad bloke that, remember Real in 1998, tasty side indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 But if they finish out of the Champions League places they're toast, same as Utd or Arsenal would be. Its probably becuase they knew they'd have to act fast to get Wotte now we have been relagated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I'd go for Harry Cripps and Skinner Normanton with Roy Lunnis as defensive coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Did Darren Anderton ever get involved in management? Just a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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