CB Fry

Preston definitely not from Preston.

What's that even supposed to mean? Managing Surs is some easy job is it? For someone so breathtakingly pedantic you don't get much right, do you?

Pochettino had a positive effect at Tottenham and did perfectly well at PSG and more likely that not will succeed at Chelsea ultimately. Chelsea unbeaten in four but apparently that's not good enough for you. Another manager has scraped MK Don to a breathtaking 13th in the third their and Swansea to 9th in the second tier with the one of the very worst defensive records in the league- ring any bells??

I think this is off topic for a build up thread to a mid week away game, but I can sense your self righteous superiority flooding out the thread. Seriously well done, you're awesome.

What a load of old shit.

Disappointed by the England Rugby team, who have just lost. Reminded me of a Russell Martin team - they're supposed to be trying to win the game but all they do is pass it backwards all the time 😪

I said we should have signed him.

We're stuck with this manager for now, so all we can do is hope.

Harwood Bellis not quite injured then. Happy days, probably our best 11.

Jesus wept.

How shit Milan was? WTF

Has anyone here got a visual representation of what a "perpetual cycle" would look like?

There must be least one Ipswich fan who will not accept that level of failure this season.

"Come good" meaning we finish 10th, which is around about where his teams have finished for the entirety of his managerial career. Win the next three in a row and I'll let him wank on about scar tissue and inverted whatever as much as he likes.

Exactly. I think some people, me included, thought he would be relatively handy playing in a decent Championship team. But that is not, at any level "seriously overhyping" him.

Che Adams getting a transfer out of Southampton should have been incredibly straightforward for him to get over the line. An open goal. A tap in, if you will. I can't believe he missed it.

😂 absolutely love that 😂

Player signed for Turkish second division side keeps lots of clean sheets. What's "totally barmy" about that? Sounds like a good signing to me.

Yep. I know people don't want to think about it but September meant no automatic promotion. Over before we even started. Over before the clocks go back. So as you say, people raving about "7 points from three games, I'd have ripped your hand off" / "Rotherham just an off day" etc etc is frustrating. Because that's not enough is the point. There's no wriggle room to not beat the worst team in the league at home. If we'd have won those three in a row, hope. Tiny bit. We didn't. We achieved mediocrity.

That's a month of excuses in the fucking bag there.

He didn't really "keep Derby up by a point" it's far more realistic to say he nearly relegated them. Their end to that season was fucking dreadful, I think they lost like six or seven on the spin before the final day and they drew their last game to scrape up. He didn't achieve an escape, he took them into the relegation zone. The previous manager was poor but Rooney took over well before Christmas so had plenty of time. He was a big reason they were in the shit, he didn't swoop in and rescue them. All he did at Derby was a bit of "they're all against us" seige mentality stuff the following season when they were skint and had the points deduction. Did okay. But to be honest he had nothing to lose. He won a few Derby fans over that didn't like him the previous season. Good luck Birmingham.

Destroys all the "yes if but maybes" around the individual results. Mid table mediocrity manager sending out teams to deliver, on a plate, mid table mediocrity.

Who has "seen off" these two managers?

In fairness to the Lib Dems they get asked this question constantly, especially in the lead up to elections because everyone knows they won't win outright. They've got to have an answer to it. Jo Swinson tried the "your next Prime Minister" stuff and absolutely blew her election, including losing her own seat. And in those days, everyone agreed that she had great things in front of her. So it's not really tactics, they need a position this time and it's that they won't prop the Tories up. It's the only sensible position they can take.

Don't have one of the shittest goals against columns in the league. That would also help.