CB Fry

Sorry, you can't have it both ways. The sneerers and the whiners sneered and whined at people "you can't judge him on one season, he needs time, no such thing as instant success blah blah bore bore etc etc etc". You can't then claim that the success this season has "taken time". It hasn't. It's taken no time at all. Pardew has been in the job only a matter of months. If it's "not long enough how dare you judge him blah blah bore bore etc etc" for people to judge whether he should be sacked or not, then it's certainly not long enough for the same people to claim it as a victory for continuity. It's a victory for people who believe in instant success. Like me. It's instant success, just like I said the day he took over. I expected instant success and Pardew has delivered it. And when have I said anything about the team at the start of the season? I knew Pardew would change things, and I knew that would bring about instant success. The instant success the arse-aching bores sneered at. Guess what, they were wrong. *The season Leeds got into the play offs had Notts Forest, Roberto Martinez's superb Swansea team, big spending Doncaster and very strong teams from Southend under Tilson and Brighton under our own Dean Wilkins. But yeah, every other season apart from this one has been a piece of p is s. One-eyed Saints-so-hard-done-by ill informed bull sh it. But then that is your forte.

LOL.

I'd rather be owned by a billionaire, with a manager supported by the entire city. I'd take Southampton in Summer 2009 when the whole city was revitalised by our new billionaire owner, dynamic chief exec and big name manager. I'd take that over what Leeds went through. Leeds went from the play off final and one game away from the Premier League to L1 and utter meltdown and Ken Bates raping the club within a calander year. With a football mad city in complete turmoil. With local businesses stiched up by Bates. With a fanbase feeling their club had been stolen away from them. With protests and hatred and fury and boycotts. But they had a first team coach and a kit man, so obviously much better than being able to spend £1m on the league's foremost striker. Yeah, the big picture definitely says Leeds United had it easy. If the picture was completely reversed, and we'd kept Wotte and Gorre but didn't get to buy Lambert, or Harding, or Hammond or all the rest of the big names Marcus's billions have got us then you'd be whining like a b1tch how hard done by we were. I very much doubt you'd be crowing about how lucky we were to have "a football back office operation". So yes, I do want to "compare details". And yes, what you posted previously was utter horsesh it. Christ.

Yawn. It's people like you who sneered and mocked anyone who thought the play offs were possible this season. People like you that sneered and mocked the idea that Pardew could make an instant impact. People like you that sneered and mocked and pontificated that we'd all have to wait three seasons to acheive anything because that's what Lawrie did. Well, thank fu c k you're not taking the team talks. Thank fu ck you're not in the dressing room telling the team to forget doing anything this season, and that all we and the players should expect is to be clear of relegation. Pardew is delivering instant success. Just like I and others said he would, and you said was "unrealistic". Pardew is delivering instant success, just like Alan and Nicola knew they would. Instand success, instantly delivered. Well done Alan and a two fingers to the arse aching bores who gave up this season as a bad job before a ball was kicked because "it takes three seasons to do anything". No it doesn't. I've never thought so. Alan Pardew never thought so. And guess what. I'm right, and Alan Pardew is right. Two fingers up to the arse aching bores.

What a load of horseshi t. Leeds were in total disarray, their fans were in uproar after what Bates had done to them and they had five more points than we did deducted. And they hated Wise. Getting pretty sick of people trotting out this myth that Leeds danced down to League one in a conga of calypso joy all ready to charge back up again. Leeds had it at least as tough as we did, if not worse. Unless you are comparing Leibherr to Ken Bates. I know who I'd rather have.

And pressure is the best excuse for pushing for the play offs this year. Because if you think this is pressure, next season, as runaway favourites and a "promotion or bust" scenario the pressure will be immense.

Riiiiight. They've only beaten Burnley FFS. They'd still be going down from here without minus nine. They are relegated.

Yeah, sorry. Leeds fans were all united with the way Ken Bates put the club into admin and then bought it back himself. It was one big happy family at Elland Road when they went down. It was indentical to the feelings in Southampton around the Leibherr takeover. Just the same. But hey, they had a pre season and everything.

Where was all this thinking when Lowe got battered season after season for "not investing in the team" then? The only people who say "money doesn't mean anything" are fans of clubs with shi teloads of money. If we were skint you and everyone else would be grizzle-arsing about how can we possibly compete we haven't got any money we need to invest in the team blah blah freaking blah.

What a load of rubbish. When was the last time Chelsea, Man United, Liverpool or Arsenal finished in the bottom three? Because everyone's equal and everyone can beat anyone so the league must be in a completely different order every season. Funny how you were saying completely the opposite when you used to whine and moan about the "lack of resources" that the likes of Burley and Poortvilet had. Oh.

It also makes a difference to have the whole city united behind the club, management and team and it makes a difference to have millions to spend on players and wages and with the best backroom team in the league. It also makes a difference to be 10 points down rather than 15. Leeds had none of those things, but of course they had it easier than us If we had Ken Bates in charge instead of ML and Cortese I'm sure you'd find something to grizzle about.

Plenty of people screaming like women to the tune of "when did he say it...PROVE HE SAID IT...he never said it...when did he say it" whenever anyone talks about Cortese aiming for the play offs. Like, well, you do. Offended by the very idea of aiming for the play offs. Calling people who think we should be aiming for the play offs "negative moaners". There's a lot of it about NickG.

The fact that you think The Times has an established veracity over and above the Echo shows you know absolutely jack sh it about newspapers. Cortese said it. Get over it.

Not really, it is what Cortese said. Get over it. There were people on here claiming that the Echo fabricated what happened at the car showroom after the Pompey game to "sell papers" and everything. People living in a world where everything the Echo says is, like, made up and stuff really are a bit dim.

What gets me is the negative people who get offended when anyone says "we're aiming for the play-offs". ML has spent all this money and people don't think the team we support should be any better than mid table in L1. How negative can you get?

Yawn. We were aiming for the play offs at the start of the season, plenty of quotes and interviews at the time which people like you are desperate to pretend didn't happen. We're aiming for the playoffs and I am bemused how that is so offensive to so many Saints fans. Why is it such a bad thing that it has to be denied by shrieking old women like you?

Whoopee. We should be the ones to watch for storming in the play offs this season, just like Leeds did with a 15 point penalty and nothing like the funds we spent. Nothing like it.

Oh, here we go, the "deniers" are back. There has been comments about aiming for the play offs all season, and Cortese said in on the radio not so long ago. We are aiming for the play offs. We are aiming for the play offs. Stop pretending we're not. We. are. aiming. for. the. play. offs. Cortese said owner Markus Liebherr had made a significant investment - with nearly £2m thought to have been spent on players in January alone - and the reason for that was so Saints would make the playoffs. Cortese added that recent league results have "not been satisfactory against that objective".

You're ****ing in the dark with comments like that. Some folks on this forum, regardless of what you say, and the evidence available still make out that we are the hardest done by club in British football and we don't stand a chance against the likes of Swindon because they had a pre season and we didn't. I doubt Swindon fans (or Millwall fans, or Huddersfield fans)would agree that they have more going for them than SFC at the moment. But the deluded on here will always make out the others have it so much easier than us. We barely deserve the money ML has given us, because financually we've blown every club out of the water and still the loons on here talk about "I'm happy just to stay up, it's unrealistic to expect anything more". What was the point, Marcus, what was the point? Should have just played the kids and a few L2 freebies like Swindon. Then people might have something to "woe is us" about.

Now that's a word.

I see bundling unconnected games together is the new "we didn't have any pre season". We're the richest club in the division and we are aiming for the play offs this season (oh yes we are and oh dear, the p i sswipes can't pretend we're not anymore, as Cortese and Pardew have said it. We are. We are.) With that in mind, not beating Wycombe away is not good enough. Every club is going to get dodgy results but we've already had a boat load this season and now was the time for our five wins in a row. But not to be. And the Norwich result was great but was also the first time we'd beaten a top six team all season, so lets not dine out on that too much. It didn't give us a "don't bother with the next game" card. It wasn't worth eight points. But I am sure Wycombe had a knockout pre-season we could have only dreamed of.

At the end of the day, Leeds are top of the table. Put the Leibherr story to one side (and once that has been covered once, it's done) and we are bumming around in mid table. Clue: your "favoured" clubs tend to be the ones challenging for promotion. There isn't a great deal of "newsworthy" stuff happening, especially as it has taken us until now to even beat a top six team. If I was running the programme I'd have us on as much as we've been on. And Steve Claridge is always very good about Saints. And that Lizzie bird is a Saints fan.

I think you're being a bit precious. At the end of the day we're still in league one, and the BBC has an hour or so to cover three divisions of football which it does pretty well. I'm sure you don't want to watch half an hour of in depth coverage of Bristol Rovers v Gillingham at ten past midnight (or even Leicester v Swansea from the league above). Just like people in Bristol don't want half an hour of Saints. The fundemental problem with programmes covering football at this level is no one is interested in anything other than their own team, meaning everyone gets upset and makes out their club is somehow down the pecking order. Saints get plenty of coverage, we got tons when we went into admin, there is no media conspiracy against us. How do I know? Because every football fan of every club in Britain thinks there is a media conspiracy againts them. From Man United to Exeter City.

This would be the same Gareth Southgate who had three complete seasons (yes, the "give them time give them time Lawrie Mac etc etc" longevity never fails theory) with Boro where they got worse and worse and worse and then were relegated. Despite what the "give them time" brigade like to think Southgate didn't look like turning into Alex Ferguson any time soon.

Any news on Riquelme?