CB Fry

Well done on all your proactive preparation by starting your eight thousandth thread about Rupert bleeding Lowe. This is the kind of can-do attitude we need at this time. What would we do without you?

Bet we don't. We've broken precisely the same rules as everyone else who has been deducted points and as a result we've been deducted points. An appeal would be just further bloody embarrassment. The football league's defence will be to stroll into the court room with an old fashioned cassette player, play a recording of Leon Crouch's five minutes of glory on five live, tip their hats and stroll back out of the court room. Suck it up chaps. Ten point deduction, fair and square.

If anything it would be have been Cotterill to work alongside Redknapp not Woodward - he's Harry's man. Redknapp and Cotterill go back a long way and Stevie wasn't far off from going into Pompey as Harry's number two a while back. Redknapp often had very good things to say about Cotterill and made a point about mentioning the good work he did at Burnley when Spurs played them in the league cup this season. Anyway, more than happy to have him at Saints. Cotterill that is. Redknapp is a c***.

Quite a nice read, but it does read like a CB Fry tribute act. I came up with a line about selling kidneys to pay BWP's wages on here about two weeks ago. But who's counting? Anyway, Crouch is almost certainly not part of the long term solution, his cringworthy buffoonery on Five Live the other day confirming this. Just a clean sweep of the lot of them would be fine, thanks.

LOL. You should write a dissertation on the meta-textuality of british sports television cameramen. I saw Brian Laws spit on The Championship the other day and I am pretty sure it was filmed as a satirical comment on the current situation in Rwanda.

Which is what?

McDonald, Monk, Howard were let go when we were a Prem side and none of them have proved to be Prem standard, with Howard possibly getting into the Prem with SUFC this season, maybe. But basically their subsequent careers have shown we were right to get rid when we did unless you seriously think our retention policy should be based on the assumption we'll be two divisions lower than we are in the future - should we now give contracts to all players at conference standard just in case we find ourselves there one day? Blackstock was sold for a profit, and we did have loads of strikers at the time, so letting one go was broadly sensible. Again, he is now playing at a club a couple of places above us in the league, so hardly a glittering star we let go. Kevin Phillips is just a dopey example you've used for filler. Every club in the land does that. Why didn't you just chuck in Dennis Wise while you're at it. Boa Morte was a signing and then a selling. It happens in football. He's having a good season now, but he's had one hell of a patchy career. hey ho. And you have acknowledged the fact that the vast majority of footballing prospects fail and I bet the list of players we've let go over the last decade who have done absolutely nothing is at least five times if not ten times longer than your list above. And in the case of people like Howard it is the rejection that spurs them on. It doesn't prove that they would have been just as good for us. Look at the career of Kevin Davies for how moves can affect performance at Saints (great), Blackburn (poor), Saints again (patchy) to Bolton (great again). It's a hell of a stretch to assume if he'd just stayed at Blackburn forever he would be playing as he is now for Bolton. And finally, it isn't actually the fans that sign, sell, buy or release any of these players so having a go for people expressing opinions is missing the point a bit.

No it isn't. The Paul Allen story was everywhere, including a full page (page three, yes I can remember) in the news section of the Guardian. Yes it turned out to be garbage, of course, but lets not pretend it didn't get a hell of a lot of media coverage. It wasn't a creation of this forum. Edit - Put "Paul Allen Southampton" into Google and look through the results including the Daily Mail, the BBC, the Guardian, Reuters, countless American Newspaper sites and then the comments, blogs etc arising from the original story. Then put the names of these two geezers in and nothing, so far. I'm not judging these two guys but lets not pretent they have achieved anything like the coverage that the PA story did.

That really can be the only reason he is saying he wants to stay - its hard to believe he has enjoyed playing for us this season as being a keeper single handedly keeping a poor team in a match for us only to lose anyway cannot be a satisfactory way to earn a living. Fair play if he does stay, but lets not be surprised if he doesn't, because who can blame him? He really hasn't much reason to be loyal to us because with the managers we've gone through and the turmoil the club has put him through he is well within his rights to say "look, I've more than done my bit, I might see how I get on somewhere else".

Sorry sid, not sure you know the details yourself - the Premier League is nothing to do with the FA and hasn't been since the 90s - the "FA Premier League" fig leaf was ditched long ago too. Whatever the reasoning for PL2 (in a nutshell its the Boltons of this world petrified of relegation and trying to pull the drawbridge up) its nothing to do with a "feud between the FA and the Football League". Mainly because those two parties have nothing to do with PL2.

This is currently not breaking news on the websites of the Echo, BBC Sport or Sky Sports News and isn't on the official site (which I didn't expect it to be). I take it is was on SSN on the telly then?

Not sure what you are getting at here, but I wasn't having a go at Pearson, or Ferguson, just the "Peter Principle" as Window Cleaner nicely put it further up the thread: managers that are successful right now have percieved glittering careers ahead of them, as Phil Parkinson and Alan Curbishley (and Alan Pardew, Iain Dowie etc etc) once had. What we don't (and they don't) know is the level at which they peak. Its not a slight on Pearson or Ferguson to say they might never do any better. It's just what can happen. This time last year Paul Ince was on a one man mission to managerial greatness. Now, he isn't. He might be back or he might never ever beat what he achieved in L2. And anyway Ferguson hasn't "served his apprenticeship" any more than Pearson has, as Ferguson has been a manager for a whole season and a half.

Indeed, you don't need too tell me. Darren Ferguson and Nigel Pearson have stock going through the roof but it is just as likely that this is the most they ever achieve in their career. Curbishley and Allardyce for England anyone? Keane and Hughes fighting it out for the United job? Paul Ince for every single job going? Not so long ago, in fact most of those were this time last year.

Phil Parkinson is an interesting choice for a "well what were they thinking" remark. Wasn't so long ago he lead a team to promotion from League One, and a manager that has just done that is currently being touted about on here as the best thing since sliced bread toasted. So Phil Parkinson has achieved just as much as Pearson and I doubt a Pearson appointment anywhere would be seen as a "well what where they thinking" moment. There's very few people on here that think Pearson would be anything other than a success in any club anywhere. Well, that was Phil Parkinson a couple of years ago. As for Bryan Gunn, I agree with you, but you can't move for people on here screaming for the appointment of Chris Marsden or Francis Benali. No-one ever learns. I think all the three of us shows that relegation from the prem is a bugger to get over sometimes, as SWFC, Forest, Leeds and Leicester have also shown. I think we could do with Leeds winning the play offs BTW, get them out of the way for next season.

Actually, no they haven't, which is why all your posts are a complete joke. Ranting and raving about dopy conspiracies in your own head does not useful insight make. ......:cool:..................:cool:......................LOWE!!!!!........................OUT!!!!!!..................:cool:.................:cool:...........HE...........RELEGATED........US......ON.......................PURPOSE...........BECAUSE.........HE ............!!!!........ONLY WANTS......TO.........MAKE........MONEY..................AND........US...........BEING...................RELEGATED........:cool:..........WILL.............MAKE...............LOWE!!!!!..........LOADS.............AND............LOADS............OF...........MONEY............OR................SOMETHING....................HANG ON..........ERRR................UM.......LOWE!!!!..........OUT........!!!!...:cool:

I think this is about right - often a move does a player good - at Derby he suddenly had to establish himself at a new club a new city etc. I'm not sure a Matt Oakley signing on for another two years at home-sweet-home Saints would have been the same Matt Oakley that went to Derby. As Um says above, it is more than likely just one of those things. Lowe obviously made some catastrophic decisions, but I don't see this as being one of them - esp when you think that equally crock-a-delic Idiakez was given longer term contract than Oakley was offered, suggesting that it wasn't a case of what could be afforded, more what the manager wanted at the time: let's assume II was higher priority than Oakley, rightly or wrongly. (Wrongly!). I think some people need to brace themselves to the fact that the next regime will make some decisions that you don't agree with too. Not everything can be traced back to "Rupert Lowe wants to destroy us on purpose".

Oh shut up you silly old woman. Enough bloody conspiracy already. I think in your heart of hearts you really do want Lowe back - after all what you do with your full stop key if he never comes back?

Not a great passer, runs around with no significant end product, nothing like a prolific goalscorer for an AM. Sorry, can't see it. Half a million quid and a transfer to, say, Bristol City or Preston I could see. Premier League, not next season and I think not ever.

We're not going to court. We're in the wrong, we've cheated the system. There isn't any judge in the land who is going to look at us and say that SLH is a completely different entitity to SFC.

This cuts to the heart of the problem. We haven't "suffered" that much. Have a look at the long view, have a look at season after season after season in the top flight. Yep, five years of misery, but we did even get a play off season in that time as well. But plenty of other clubs our size have suffered as much as we have. Yep, our current plight is a tragedy, but its fallen other clubs and we've had higher highs in the last twenty years than almost every other professional club in the country. That said, this is nothing that makes us different - all clubs fans think they are more hard done by than any other.

As I said, if we were that skint then our takeover would just happen quicker. We are not Weymouth.

Good. The club will be taken over by a group of businessmen, not fans. And the Trust, SISA, Alan Whitehead, Chorley, Illingsworth and your group will have nothing whatsoever to do with it. Thank the lord. Well done on all you've done but really it has just been a glorified hobby. Why not let the administrator get on with it? From what I can see he is doing a bloody good job.

What a load of rubbish. If we were that skint it just would have hurried along an eleventh hour takeover that will happen soon enough anyway. If the likes of Notts County and Mansfield Town and all the rest can get teams out to play football matches, pretty sure we can. Don't believe the hype.

I must say, your "humourous thread" is a right barrel of laughs. Did anyone get the "joke" in your hilarious original "comedy" post? Wakka Wakka.

What is "clearly wrong" about it? SLH is entirely SFC. And the bits that aren't SFC are not the bits that would drag SLH into administration. SLH = SFC. It was a little scam we tried to pull, it failed, because it was a pathetic scam that was never going to work.