CB Fry

Fair dos. But its also fair to say if we do lose 5-0 at Oldham the people expressing displeasure will be out numbered by the arse-aching bore-monkeys who seem to think even the smallest grumble about the worst defeat needs to be greeted with the old "Lawrie got relegated in his first season blah blah blah" routine. People like SOG are determined to imagine into existance some Pardew out lobby that simply is not there. If we lose 5-0 at Oldham absolutely everyone has the right to question whether Pardew is up to the job, much like if we win 5-0 we can all talk about storming the playoffs and "how would we do in the CCC next season". But we do not need to hear the "stick with the manager" bore-a-thon over and over again. We get it, shut up already. (not you Marco )

Two questions. Who are these four or five people in your opinion? And who at this moment in time have "turned on" Pardew?

As someone who was made redundant from the local newspaper game three years ago this comes as absolutely no surprise. Local papers have been dying its arse for the last decade, and the credit crunch has only made a dire situation even worse. The sports papers of any local daily doesn't really make much money - a little bit of cover price revenue and to prop up the circulation numbers of the sister paper, there is no stand alone advertising. Throw in the additional shifts for journos, printers, van drivers, the processing of returns, the tiny selling window (basically two hours Sat night, little bit Sunday am) the fact that one press breakdown Sat night can kill sales by more than half. It's an easy cut. It sounds like the Saints Pink is a Sunday-only product now already, which has already killed its one and only point of difference. At their best they are one of the better examples of a local daily delivering a service to its readers and its community as opposed to a shell of a "supplement" designed to shift some advertising space. But they are a pain and don't deliver much back. It wouldn't surprise me if The Southern Daily Echo, in the next five years, becomes either twice/thrice-weekly, or a free paper doled out to people on the Number 17 bus in the afternoon.

Twelve wins and eleven draws in 34 games is 47 points, 1.3 points per game, the kind of form that would get us about 17th/18th - lower mid table form. For the backroom staff and the team we'd expensively assembled, that would be pretty disgraceful form - we shouldn't be aiming to be "average" from now on. Not sure we should be benchmarking ourselves against what Exeter and Yeovil are looking to achieve.

There's not enough of these in the world :rolleyes: to respond to garbage posts like the one above. Whose "morale" is being "sapped" by a few hairy bottomed blokes on an interenet forum? Give me strength. :rolleyes: If we all post "come on saints, we loves yous" will we defitely win 5-0 on Saturday? :rolleyes: This, is the true spirit of this thread, beautifully summed up here: There never was an AP out campaign, not on this thread, not on this forum, not ever. One or two fans maybe (one or two fans didn't rate him on day one, and they're allowed to) but vastly vastly outnumbered by the twittering old women like SOG and Windmill Arm droning on about Alex Ferguson-Ted Bates-Lawrie-etc-etc-etc-etc and making out they are lone voices shouting against some baying mob. Total delusional guff. There never was a "Pardew out" campaign.

Call me an old slag, but I'm back with you again. To be fair to me I did say we should be aiming for the play offs (ie Championship winning form) all summer and up until we lost to Rovers when it just looked mathmatically impossible and, I admit it, I wobbled. I now think we are going to go on one of those 22 out of 24 points type runs. It is clicking very, very nicely. But I was talking about play offs all summer while the supposed "realists" were bleating on about scraping survival. We're going to do it. I'm going to Oldham for first away game of the season and cannot wait.

The usual utter tripe from one of the most one-eyed contributors to this site. There was and is no Pardew out campaign, just self important ar se-wipes boring us all with the "McMenemy got us relegated, Alex Ferguson three years blah blah blah etc etc etc" routine the minute anyone says anything outside of "aren't Saints brilliant". No one on this thread (indeed this board) wanted Pardew out, except maybe Glasgow Saint. Certainly not the original poster. The bores like you with your bo ll ock achingly obvious "we need to stick with the manager" routine outnumbered the people who want Pardew out by about 75 to one. No one needed a patronising king tedious like you telling us to "stick with the manager" eight,nine, ten games into a bloody season. Everyone was sticking with him and didn't need your bloody permission. Shut. up. No one wants Pardew out, and no one did two weeks ago. And you are not going to come on here with your self satisfied smug routine making out you were some lone voice in the wilderness. No one wanted Pardew out.

I have son. There was and there is no Pardew out campaign. You read what you want to read.

No it wasn't - this is just a fantasy in your head. There never was (or is) some great Pardew out campaign. Please stop pretending otherwise.

Sorry, no sense. Two points per game from now and we'll finish bare minimum eighth, more than likely sixth. Your "ace" thing only really counts in the last few weeks of the season, or in the title race in Scotland.

I believe Rupert Murdoch's nickname is "Trotsky".

There is no technical solution, when Sussexsaint says "area" he means "the place you can listen to the game on radio solent on your actual wireless". Everyone online, including people in the solent radio listening area, have to pay Saints Player to hear the commentary. It's nothing to do with IP addresses - Saints games aren't free on the radio for the rest of the world or anywhere you could "pretend to be" with an IP address. The only technical solution would be to trick a Saints Player account into thinking you've paid when you haven't, but can anyone really be bothered to do that? There is a slight exception when some away teams don't have a "Player" account, and you can hear the commentary on the local BBC station online hassle-free- Swindon is one such club, but there aren't many.

Hang on - we've got the most expensively assembled squad in the division, so by that logic we don't need Pardew as "anyone" could do well with our squad???!!!

I think you've been watching too much Terry and June. People don't knock on their bosses door and "negotiate their own" pay rise in 2009. Not in any company of any reasonable size anyway. In the company I work for (it's a multinational) my pay has gone up but it is all performance linked and if you're good you move up pay grades and move up pay "zones" (ie get promoted). I've been lucky enough, and worked hard enough, to benefit from both those things this year and previously. But across the board 2-2.5% rises no questions asked year in year out is just fairy land in my company and those like it the private sector. That really has been the point of my ranting - the misconception that the private sector get loads of pay rises, get loads of over time. We don't. I think teachers have "reaped the rewards" just as much as any average private sector workers, as the figures further up the thread has shown. You've made your choice, and you're happy with it and you get a no questions asked pay rise year in year out. I've made mine, I work just as hard as you and get performance related pay. I'm happy, you're happy. Lets hope we're both happy come ten-ish.

Regardless of the inflation rate 2-2.5% pay rise, year in, year out is bloody good. People in the private sector simply do not get the guaranteed pay rises the public sector get.

This I agree with Too many flipping management consultants also.

Wasn't the link I posted very specifically about schools though?

Well the original thread was about this "you can't go to the pub" thing and the debate has broadened since then. It's quite common on internet forums, you know. Profligacy in the civil service is part of the same problem, which is a disengagement from the real world, what everyone else gets paid and the kind of budgeting that goes on in the private sector that is alien to the public sector.

Nice. It's an internet forum. No one is "speaking" for "anyone". At the end of the day there are too many chips on too many shoulders in the public sector and the moaning about how hard up they are is a bit tiresome, especially at the end of a decade of unprecedented investment into the public sector that is going to come to a serious, grinding, miserable halt from about May next year. You've had your best years. You've had investment upon investment. That's it. And still the moaning came. Under the Tories it is going to be misery out there for the publuc sector. As my old mum used to say "you lot don't know you're born". Get ready for the pinch.

Eh? You can't get your head round how opinions and ideas develop over time in response to events/circumstance/context? I form an opinion ten years ago and then that's it for life? Is that how you live? I can't remember whether you're one of the teachers on this thread but god help our kids if you are because I think you're a bit simple. It was right to improve pay and conditions for the public sector, but when you see strikes, threats of strikes and we're-so-hard-done-by not long after those improvements then that's its right to question what exactly is going on here.

Don't be silly. Barnes was an awful appointment from day one. Or do you seriously think if he'd been given three years he'd magic into Alex Ferguson?

You're all right. If we are significantly adrift at Christmas and we continue to accrue points at a rate of one per game then Pardew will be under significant pressure and the prospect of him being sacked is a realistic one, not least because he can hardly say he hasn't been given the resources to do the job better than that. So he does have until Christmas to "prove himself", if you like. But the comparison to Norwich, Tranmere and Wycombe "reacting" is spurious - we have "reacted" - we dumped Wotte, and we've let Pardew build an impressive backroom staff, and snap up some of the best talent available at our level. We are "reacting". Pardew is "reacting". We'll win tonight. We're going in the right direction. But the improvement on the first ten games does need to be marked from here on in.

Well, yeah, actually he would. Richard Scudamore would probably be maximum three telephone calls away from finding out the background of any British based Millionaire. Easy. Probably three phone calls from finding out the background of any European based millionaire.

Putting Ali Dia in any list really is pretty lazy journalism. Oh, and they've wheeled out Marco Boogers as well. Groundbreaking stuff!

How many threads are you going to start patting yourself on the back for being the most perfectest Saints fan in the world? Stop vastly exaggerating the "Pardew out" campaign (which is about one grade up from non-existant) just to feel smug about yourself.