CB Fry

There's only one demented frother on this forum love, and it aint me you swivel eyed div. Read your first post again and tell me where the non subjective bits are

a) We haven't been jerked around by anyone. The previous board jerked around (to say the least) and landed us where we are now, with a perfectly fair 10 point penalty. b) The prospective new owners are making a bit too much of a song and dance about the ten point thing and the right to appeal. We don't need to appeal, the punishment is perfectly fair. c) Not sure what the Premier League owes Setanta - Setanta have been taking £10 a month off 1.2m punters on the strength of broadcasting valuable assets they now can't pay for having had several extensions from the PL and SPL. Sentantas mismanagement could see several Blue Square and SPL clubs go into administration. All a bit of a mixed up rant about nothing there, Alpine.

Why do people still think the FA run the Premier League? Christ, that hasn't been the case for well over a decade - in fact, I don't think they ever ran it - the "FA Premier League" title was just a fig leaf and an ego boost for the FA. They've never run the Prem.

Yeah, fair enough. None of that means we shouldn't be deducted ten points though. It's a difficult one for anyone to put a lid on, and being the FL are being slaughtered on here for issuing and sticking to a perfectly reasonable punishment no-one is ever going to thank them because fans will moan like hell whatever.

Have a look at some of Um Pahars contributions on various threads tonight. Chances are the League have opened their negotiations by starting us off in League 2 instead with the compromise being L1 minus ten, as they did with Leeds.

I think this kind of thing needs to be permanently at the top of the forum. Getting a bit sick of people screaming IT'S ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!! when what is happening is clearly a bit of brinkmanship/negotiation between two parties, ultimately leading to a compromise agreement. About as "illegal" as winding up a business in order to shake off debts you can't afford to pay and then starting again a few weeks later. Maybe we need to start a brand new sub forum on Human Rights and Common Law now we have so much interest in it. I'll get on the phone to Shami Chakrabati to officially open it if the mods will do the honours.

Which puts the tin hat on any talk of "natural justice" on either side firmly in the bin, then. Good, that was the point I was making. The news that Pinnacle are paying the wages on Thursday is excellent.

Actually, I think we are in agreement (call it a compromise ). Even if we sign this piece of paper, we can, in reality, in law appeal if we want to. Course we can. That's why I don't get the hand wringing and "oh its a scandal" stuff we've seen on here all day.

Eh? So just to confirm any club can run up any debts they like, plead poverty and start again. Surely the whole point of the 10 point rule is to stop clubs running up debt they can't manage? But you can't have rules without some sanctions. Come on. Normally sensible people on this forum (yes, you ) have gone quite mad.

Look, I don't give a monkey's about Aviva. But "they decided to do so and so" defence is also applicable to our dopey decision to go into administration and not expect a 10 point deduction. Southampton Football Club haven't been wronged, either. Swallow it.

Not sure I have ever said the league is allowed to do anything illegal. Reasonable conditions of entry is not the same as employees of a casino beating people up. Christ, I'm ****ing in the wind today.

You don't get that we do not have a case. The FL just want us to shut us up so they can get on with running a football competition. The FL would walk through one appeal, two appeals, ten appeals. Take it to the f*cking pope. We would never win, we have no case whatsoever.

But your point about employers offering less etc etc makes my point for me. An employer forcing an employee to sign a compromise agreement for less than statutory redundancy is illegal and unreasonable. So obviously illegal and wouldn't stand up in court. What the league are asking us to do is not unreasonable and definitely not illegal. It will be a compromise agreement. And of course if you did have a compromise agreement you were happy with, it wouldn't stop you from going to court if you changed your mind. But you would probably lose. Which is what Leeds did. Southampton Football Club (lets call it Guantanamo FC because its diddums human rights have been so terribly violated) could do the same and would also lose. The league I am sure will put "your statutory rights will not be affected" on the contract, just like you get on crisp packets.

Sorry, it isn't. This is a sporting league run as a members club. Not the Khmer Rouge. And you'll notice I didn't mention the 10 points on my post. The league have given us reasonable condition of entry to the league.

What?? What do you think Pinnacle have been doing for the past two months if you think they haven't done a deal to take on the stadium debt? They obviously have done a deal with Aviva, but it won't be for Aviva's benefit, will it.

But actually, it isn't. "Join our league on these conditions, which relate to rules your predecessor broke, or don't join our league". Not an incredibe abuse of power in anyone's language. If TL and co can find us a better league to play in, then he should go right ahead and fill his boots. In other news, Saints playing debt-free in a £30m stadium we paid £10m for in the end is an "incredible abuse of power" against a creditor backed into a position of chosing between not many (rubbish) options including sitting on a worthless empty second hand football stadium.

My response to the above is the excellent point below. We'll be debt free with a £30m stadium we paid about £10m for at the end of this when it comes. Where's the natural justice for our creditors, then?

No it doesn't. Poncing about whining about "natural justice" is not the behaviour we were expecting from Pinnacle. Take the ten points, ******** to appealing it, ******** to "natural justice" - we can't win, ever, ever ever - and get on with buying this club, or p*ss off out of it. I am starting to believe Pinnacle might just be full of sh*t.

Not really, people get made redundant every week in this country by signing "compromise agreements" with their employers. Said employee agrees not to challenge or "appeal" if you like their dismissal, and employer agrees to pay x amount as compensation. If you think the FL are saying "you must not appeal" in writing then you are daft. But they are saying "you can join the league on these conditions". Not illegal in the slightest.

I think people are worrying too much about this kind of thing. SLH will no longer exist come the takeover, and no, the football league isn't going to ask for creditors to be settled twice over, once for SLH and once for SFC. This whole affair is getting frankly ridiculous - the ten points was non negotiable 80 days ago, and non negotiable 21 days ago. Pinnacle using it now to buy even more time is seriously, seriously worrying. If MLT wasn't involved I think Mr Lynham would be getting slaughtered on here. He's a lucky guy to have a Saints legend alongside him.

I thought the forum geniuses were telling me that Mawhinney was "running scared" from our "legal professionals" :rolleyes:

Not sure why you're bringing Burton Albion into this.

Yawn. I never put IMO on anything - this is a fans forum for opinions and everything anyone says on this forum is an opinion. Get used to it.

Amen to that, great post. I can't stop laughing at the delusionals who think the League are "running scared" or "looking for a way to back down" or "know they're in the wrong". They don't want us to appeal not because they think they'll lose - they won't ever, ever, ever lose - but because it would just waste month after month and could end up buggering up things like next seasons play off semis with Saints whinging they should be in it and the other four clubs threatening legal action in return etc etc. And how do you coach a team when you don't know how many points you have, or you become fixated that "don't worry, we'll get those ten back". Us fighting it will do us as a football club no good once the season starts. The league are not scared of losing, they are just rolling their eyes skyward as Pinnacle posture and flounce about. Think of the chav kids in the paper who rant on about their "human rights" when they get sent home from school for having a nose ring and a mohican. The FL is the school and Pinnacle is chav mum. We shouldn't be appealing it because the punishment is fair and Pinnacle are being ridiculous.

I couldn't give a monkeys for your conspiracies and won't take a lesson in politics from a National Front div.