CB Fry

Yawn, nice try at the lamest routine in the book. I'm no defender of Lowe and I am not attacking Pearson either and I ripped Lowe to shreds on here when Pearson went and Jan came in. "You're a Lowe luvvie because I don't agree with you" is just pathetic on your part. Grow up. At the end of the day "internal appointments" are riven with problems and just don't work in almost every single case. So sorry, you're wrong. And where am I making out Pearson is "****"? Come on, show me? I just think some of the ludicrous overhype of him is a bit silly and shows the usual lack of perspective on this forum. Most people on here sneer like hell at, say, Micky Adams whose acheivements knock anything Pearson has done into a ****ed hat. Pearson is on the cusp of achieving what Nigel Adkins or Phil Parkinson have achieved in recent years. People need to calm down a bit. I wanted Pearson to stay and was disgusted when he was elbowed by Lowe. Disgusted. If the forum archives go back to last May, look up what I said at the time. He was great for us last season, and was the one man that would have united the fanbase under Lowe, and Lowe blew it. Doesn't mean I have to buy into the cult of Pearson that has sprung up, it doesn't change the fact that Wotte has a far, far harder job than Pearson had on, and doesn't change the fact that if Wotte keeps us up it will surpass Pearson's achievement by a long, long, way. So try thinking a bit more instead of chucking lame "you love Lowe" rubbish about.

Well, I think I also mentioned the increased resources Pearson had, the ability to bring in players like Wright in, the fact that Saints weren't in the bottom three (or solidly rooted to the bottom three) when he took over, and the fact that if Pearson had won three in a row as soon as Wotte has, we'd have been talking about the play off challenge Leon promised us when Burley left, not still be four points adrift as we are now. Lots of reasons why the conditions for Pearson were more favourable than the conditions for Wotte. If Wotte keeps us up it will be a hell of a greater achievement than Pearson's. I like Nigel, I live in the E Midlands and know a few Leicester fans who love him like we did. But Wotte's acheivement this season will be greater than Nige's last, if he does it. Lets hope he does.

LOL. Don't think anyone has said anything of the sort. But some managers with six months experience ten years ago in the bottom division, zero managerial jobs inbetween and then five months experience nine years later in the CCC was being described as "the best young manager in British football" (he's the same age as David Moyes and started his career at the same time) and "a future England manager" etc etc etc It isn't and never will be Wotte who is the victim of ludricrous over hype on this forum.

No, I wouldn't and my reason for that is the fact that the vast, vast majority of "internal" appointments at football clubs (Adams, Chris Hutchings, Wigley, Gray, Les Reed etc etc) has shown that when a change of management is required more success is likely with a new man, a fresh pair of eyes, no preconceptions and a chance to start afresh. Wotte did not have that luxury and Pearson did. All this "insider knowledge" you seem to value is massively outweighed by the disadvantages of the internal appointment - the players know your weak spots, it's not really "new", you're seen as a "second choice" or "cheap option" by the fans and players, you are unavoidably linked/compared to the last incumbent etc etc. Being a "new man" is a great liberator and in lots of walks of life you never have as much power in a new role as you do in your first flush, your first six months when energy levels and enthusiasm are at a premium. I don't buy into your premise at all and I repeat I very much doubt you would use the same argument to defend the appointment of Wigley.

So on that logic you would still fully back the appointment of Steve Wigley way back when then - after all, all the players all knew him, involved with all the players beforehand etc etc. The best appointment is the internal promotion of the second in command then, right? Because that "advantageous position" could never fail, could it? That's got to be much better than a new man strolling in with a fresh pair of eyes, no preconceptions and a chance for a clean slate and a kick up the arse for the entire squad hasn't it? Right?

And on the flip side Pearson had a real "new manager" effect that Wotte couldn't possibly have had, Pearson had a far better squad to draw on and brought in some loan players on serious serious wedge (hello Richard Wright). And we weren't rooted in the relegation zone when Pearson walked in, despite what the revisionists make out. If Pearson had won three games in a row as early as Wotte did, then we'd have been challenging for the playoffs come the end of the season. So I think the conditions they arrive in even themselves out, with Pearson having the easier job all told.

Yeah, because Leicester just love Derby don't they? Are you saying you would want a ref from Portsmouth to ref all our remaining games? Or that a ref from Lancashire would favour a Yorkshire side? What about a ref from Bristol favouring Cardiff - after all they're really close ain't they? At the end of the day didn't the ref bottle a stone wall Derby penalty at the end of the game which would have taken some guts to give at SMS last night? (I wasn't there, I live in the East Midlands where everyone from Leicester wants Derby to win every game, but it sounded like a pen to me )

If that is "the point" it's a pretty dopey one. We're not going to win every single game and neither is anyone else, including Wolves and Reading etc. I'm with Marco - it isn't in our own hands because we desperately need others to lose. It's amazing that with what we've gone through recently - three wins in a row and still firmly in the bottom threee - that people still make predictions where we win and everyone else just stands still. It's not in our hands, we need others to lose, and quickly.

If I won the whole lot I would pledge £10m to Saints to be spent on only and specifically players on condition that I get to parade round the pitch with a scarf over my head and giving it a load of large. Matt Le Tissier is appointed Life President I get to put my foot through that picture of a train live on South Today.

Hey, if JP had us solid top six all season would the fans have been so harsh on him? If JP had won ten games in a row would the fans have been so harsh on him? If JP had taken us to Wembley and we'd won the Carling cup on sunday eight nil against Brazil would the fans have been so harsh on him? You do talk consistent rubbish but berating fans for not supporting a manager because he was hypothetically winning games is possibly the most retarded thing you've yet said. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'm surprised the original poster hasn't suggested the stadium all sing "Take me out to the ball game" before every match.

Who cares. A bit of press release PR and spin from Tranmere. I know some people on here think Rupert Lowe is the only man on earth to do such a thing, but maybe other clubs are at it too. I doubt any mega-yachts will be seen outside Birkenhead any time soon. This time last year everyone on here was wetting themselves about Derby's billion dollar American takeover. That went well, didn't it?

How many layers of assumption are you going to put into your assessment of some one else's post? He would be a brilliant signing, and he isn't going to sign for us. The end.

What, apart from these?

Hmm. Not sure about all of this. As others have said, two years is not a particularly significant milestone. And I am not sure Alan Ball deserves an "annual end of season tribute". As a player he was good but he hardly gave us his best years and he is not exactly Saints through and through (about half a dozen clubs could lay some claim to him). As a manager he was very good but only did a season and a half and scarpered off in search of extra cash the minute an offer came up. (Before anyone blames Askham, remember - no-one held a gun to his head to go to Man City. No one. "I wish I'd never left" was easier to say once he'd failed at Man City and some years had passed). Yes, he died to soon, and yes great bloke, good manager for us etc etc. But I am not sure we need to mark his death again so soon.

Will what happen in our league? CCC clubs up and down the country have been cutting prices, running special events (kids for a quid) etc etc for the last three, four years. This is just a bit of PR spin from the Premier League press office the BBC have parrotted out verbatim. Or do you really think the CCC clubs are more expensive than the bargain basement premier league?

God bless you. As the man who launched the first sweepstake on this forum's predecessor, and introduced HCDAJFU, I feel I have made a lasting contribution to the entertainment of the digital fan in the post millennium era. Even I, though, doubt that my contribution warrants a statue, but if that is what my public want, who am I to stop it? Let me know when Ian Brennan is ready to start the preliminary sketches.

How many football chairmen can you name, then? I'll let you have, yawn, Steve Gibson.

"Emergency Loan" is just a fig leaf to get round the EU's/UEFA's/Whoever's rule-it-is rules. S****horpe aren't actually in an emergency situation - all loans in the CC Leagues this time of year are "emergencies". That said, I agree with you - S****horpe probably are paying the wages in this case.

I think one of Ponty's points is that this opening up of information and, more significantly, outlets to release, expose, speculate, lie, pontificate and get overexcited about said information is making some people think they are actually part of the French Revolution or something even more important - read the language used, the positions taken, the self puffery, the ridiculous overstatement. (Hello R Chorley). Although, that said, being one of the very people utterly absorbed with, and revelling in, your own (self)importance in the narrative of the travails of the football club we all support, it's no surprise you missed the point and compared protests against the management of a second tier provincial Football Club in a UK collapsing under a credit crunch with the French Revolution . That is what the innnernet has created.

Errr - yes they did. They've had two full seasons in the third tier and not particularly well placed for promotion this time out either, so a third season in the third tier is more likely than not. They're really living the dream I can't imagine in three years time if we were staring a third season in the third tier in the face I doubt you'd be so delighted about it.

Why not joke about it? It's not really a rich seam of material, but it isn't "sickening". Yes it is. It's a football club possibly going out of business. It's hardly the holocaust. Perspective, please.

Not least because he's not that young - he's 45 and has been in football management for over ten years. He's the same age as David Moyes who took his first job at Preston around the same time Nige started at Carlisle. So can people stop with the "hottest prospect" stuff. I like him well enough, but he aint no hot young thing.

You seem to be determined to pick silly holes in what everyone says. It's a shame because what everyone else says (28 games and second from bottom means we are, by any measure, rubbish) is right and what you're saying just isn't. We beat Reading. A freak result. Gee. Professional footballers playing in the second tier have "some talent", you say? Wow. Not enough talent to be any better than second from bottom under the "brave" management you seem to be supporting.

Colin Calderwood was not a popular manager at Forest, even when he took them up. I live up here and know that. The general feeling is Forest should have been promoted sooner and with less anguish than Calderwood delivered. They are nothing like Doncaster. Davies will do just fine with Forest. I would contest Doncaster's "bravery" for reasons already outlined. They've found a formula that has delivered their greatest ever success and stuck with it. Not that brave. Doncaster's success (again, built on the investment of a rich fan: a "principle" of theirs you seem to be avoiding) is not down to their style of football per se. They've just stuck to a manager and a formula. Bolton did that with Allardyce. But the style of football was completely different. Sticking with Jan and "his principles" was not, is not, working. We are in the worst season in living memory. Doncaster are in their best season in living memory. Saying Doncaster have been "braver" than us by, err, sticking with their most successful manager of all time, just doesn't stand up. It just is not that brave. It would have been much braver to sack him because that carries ten times more risk than sticking with him. I'm not sure why you keep bringing the fans up - they don't appoint the manager or impose the style. If this whole thread is just you looking for an angle to "blame the fans", you say it isn't but I'm not sure, then you really are wasting your time.