SW11_Saint

Pretending to be Liverpool doesn't feel 'special' to me. I'd rather just look and feel like Saints.

And what a shame that is. With a bit more thought and understanding of what most Saints fans want, the club/Umbro could have produced a kit that would have had 80-90% approval ratings. A massive missed opportunity to march back into he Premier League with our identity intact and our supporter based happy (not to mention the increased revenue from increased replica kit sales).

I think part of my hatred for red shorts is rooted in me going to buy the new Saints home kit in 76/77 (the candy striped one). It was from a sports shop in St. Mary's St - the church end of the street, can't remember the name (Duncan?). The dummy in the window had the kit on, but to my horror had red shorts, complete with the Admiral symbols down the sides. The guy in the shop told me that we were going to be playing in red shorts that season. I just couldn't believe it. It didn't look right. It didn't look like Saints. To my 12 year old credit - I was really desperate to be the first kid on the estate with that kit - I decided to wait. It just wasn't right. Of course later, on going to the Saints Shop I was relieved to find out that we were indeed playing in our traditional black shorts, and all was well in the world again. I never did return to that St. Mary's sports shop. Suspect I am not going to find out thre's been a mistake this time!

The fields of Netley Marsh...

Ward-Prowse looks like a fan that has won a competition to be on a poster, bless him.

To be honest black shorts would probably have placated a fair few. It's the all red / Liverpool thing that I think annoys most dissenters.

I think that's what the percentages are for. 34% like it, 66% don't or don't care.

What the ?!*# are YOU doing on a football site with so many terrible things happening in the world??

Oh dear, you're getting into very murky statistical waters here my friend... Based on the evidence we have (the poll above), I could very easily argue that, if you say the "3,000" that turned up (I believe he figure was more like 500, but anyway...) they represent those in the poll (statistically), thus 6,000+ fans DIDN'T turn up. Or we could do the no of people who turned up and bought kits as a % of the Saints supporting population of the city? Okay, being flippant, but you can't mix up your mathematical basis mate, you just can't... PS I have a few mates who, believe it or not, don't like the kit "but will probably buy it anyway", so even the supposition that those who buy he kit 'like' it is flawed. Strange world.

On that we can can agree. From the evidence available 50% or more of our fans do not like the new kit. It won't stop me or them supporting the lads - loving it when we win, despairing when we lose. I will just have to put up with us doing it all in a poor man's Liverpool kit! (hopefully for just one season!).

I do love a man who just ignores rational argument with a playground type comment like "oh I don't really care about that...". And you were really born in 1980?!? Do you have some empirical evidence you would rather use?

There you go, red and white stripes - in various forms, I have no problem with that. And the shorts? I am going to answer for you... Black. The socks? Red, white, black - variations thereof. Again, don't care. So the blue short thing you threw in (I suspect to avoid my 'majority' point) is just a red herring. What we have is an all red kit. An all red kit. Red socks, red shorts, red shirt - like Liverpool in the 80's with faint white pin stripes. Nothing like the agreed 'traditional' livery of SFC. More reflective of Liverpool than Saints. That is the point I was making.

Just answer me a simple question - honestly if you are able - in your lifetime, what would you say the most 'traditional' kit associated with Southampton Football Club is? (shirt colours & design, shorts,socks). And remember, I said be honest...

Just using the only evidence available to me - the poll above, the Echo poll, and the comments in Football Shirt Culture.

I think you'll find that was an away kit (and Norwich's trim is green), but it's a silly point anyway. Saints "traditionally", are red and white shirts (usually in some form of stripes), black shorts, not 'all red'. That is more readily associated with Liverpool. That is all I was pointing out.

Yeah, call me old fashioned but I'd much rather we celebrated our own history than Liverpool's. Oh well, as you say just one of the unlucky (majority) I guess...

So Liverpool played in red & white stripes in the 80's? Had no idea...

Because it will prove it is truly popular. The sash kit is our biggest selling kit ever (in League One let's not forget). Guess we could get a few foreign Liverpool fans buying it by mistake...?

Just the one across my chest. My point has always been about GOOD design and some link to the history & tradition of SFC. The sash had both. The Liverpool kit has neither.

So, those who say it isn't a knock off Liverpool kit??

Decent design and it would have been at least twice as long...

Agreed. Have made no secret of my feelings on this abomination of a Saints kit, but calling fellow fans mongs for buying it on release day is out of order. Loads of kids will want it, regardless of what it looks like, and there will always be adult 'blind followers' who will buy a Saints shirt regardless (and of course the minority who do actually like it). Everyone has the right to their opinion, and their right to buy (or not), but let's keep insults to the shirt (or whoever you are bantering with on here!). I hate it, and won't buy it. Sash kit again for me this season.

Always kids and 'blind-followers' who will buy. True test is if it out-sells the sash kit.

Give me the Sheffield Weds one in R&W ANY day, over our scouse tribute kit...

Not on here - it would just be seen as 'different & exciting', or 'taking us to the next level' or similar such bow-locks...