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Too late for any change now, it will just look like a right old mess to the electorate. It's going to be a Tory landslide. At least then something might be done to sort out the Labour Party. To be honest I despise the Tories but a Corbyn, SDP and Lib Dem alliance trying to negotiate a Brexit deal would be a disaster. Brexit is a Tory idea, best let them crack on with it - if it turns out bad they will be finished by the next election. To stand ANY chance whatsoever Labour need to stop banging on about spending more on the NHS etc and concentrate on Brexit - that is what this election will be about. IMO they should have their own talks with the EU come up with a softer alternative to the Tory's hard Brexit - some sort of deal that keeps us in the single market that has some support from Europe - if that is possible.

They can probably foresee what a cluster-**** the Brexit negotiations are going to be and didn't want to face the electorate in 2020.

It is quite an achievement for them. After all these years, finally getting promoted to the lowest level we've ever played at.

The EU have left the door open for it to be reversed.

If Labour had a decent centre-left leader and stood on a remain mandate I actually think they would have a decent chance of winning. With Corbyn in charge they have no chance so I guess there will be some Labour MPs defecting to the Lib Dems. The whole thing is a bit of a mess.

Just a quick google found this from 2003's Guardian, must be part of project fear pt 1: Eleven of the world's top economists will announce this week that Britain should seize the 'historic opportunity' to join the single currency or face years in the economic wilderness, affecting billions of pounds of investment into the country and the wages of millions of people. The findings of the first major report on the economic costs of staying outside the single currency will be seized on by euro-enthusiasts in Number 10 as further evidence that it would be folly to rule out a single currency for the lifetime of the Parliament. Its contents were being circulated to Ministers this weekend ahead of an expected Cabinet debate on the issue before the end of the month. Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, the Chancellor, are engaged in tense discussions over the exact wording of the announcement of the five economic tests, the cornerstone of government policy on the euro, expected in the next three weeks. Although the Government will say that the tests for joining the single currency have not yet been met, Blair is pushing the Treasury to ensure that the assessment of when Britain might join is not put off until the indefinite future. The pro-euro camp will be further strengthened this week when Robin Cook, the former Foreign Secretary, will say that, alongside the economic costs, there will also be a political cost of staying out. Cook, in his first comments on the single currency since he quit the Cabinet earlier this year, will say that Britain will be in danger of losing influence over the future direction of Europe if it does not give a firm indication of its desire to join the euro. The Begg Commission of leading economic experts was put together by Britain in Europe, the organisation campaigning for Britain to join the single currency. But BiE officials insist the report is independent. Many of the economists on the commission are not euro-enthusiasts. 'It may look tempting to reject the euro on the grounds that, by keeping the pound, the UK can simply continue as it is today,' the report will say. 'But things will not stand still if the UK rejects the euro. In the long run, eurozone members will trade more with one another. They will have beneficial effects on which the UK will miss out. 'UK profitability and/or wages will suffer.' If Britain does not join, 'investment is likely to relocate towards the eurozone', the report continues. 'Some financial markets and institutions will follow.

Many in project fear clearly did prior to the vote.

He won't go to a **** club like Everton.

I think we are all in agreement that the vast majority of Muslims are normal, peaceful people. That doesn't change the fact that it appears there is something about the religion that turns some people into suicidal mass murderers.

So you wait and wait for something bad to happen, ignore anything good then then say it takes 'x' amount of months for the impact to take effect.. Weird no one mentioned this 6 month lag time thing last year.

I'm sure the people in charge are not very nice, I've read a few horror stories but it's impossible to now what is propaganda and what is fact. Going to war would be lunacy and I'm not exactly sure what it would achieve - hundreds of thousands dead, and a country without a leader who hates American even more than it does now? I would just leave them alone, they are no threat to us.

Just because the 70s and 80s were violent (thanks to NI and ETA) doesn't mean Islamic Terror is not a problem. According to http://www.thereligionofpeace.com there were 143 Islamic attacks in 22 countries, in which 1064 people were killed and 1214 injured - in the last 30 days. And 99% of all attacks carried out in the name of religion are Islamic. I obviously cannot verify the stats from this site but even if only half are true it paints a very grim picture.

I'm with Trump on this one, can't stand by and do **** all while innocent people get gassed. What exactly is the point in the UN when they just sit and watch while the people of Syria go through hell?

Brexit hasn't happened yet, and as positive predictions don't seem to count it's not surprising there are no known benefits yet.

Like Alan Shearer?

That fool is nothing to do with what I posted about. Any talk of war with Spain is ****ing retarded.

How is not guaranteeing the status of foreigners over here threatening anyone?

To be fair the government has a duty to protect the rights of its citizens abroad so their stance made sense.

Ahhh bless. They fed up with being laughed at?

Lets face it, when its 29 (Including EU commission & parliament) to 1 and with our own politicians also dying to stick their oars in, then there is absolutely no chance of an amicable deal within 2 years. Our best bet is just to prepare for WTO rules.

I was talking about Labour held areas, I think it was something like 7 in 10 Labour held constituencies voted for Brexit.

How do you work that one out? Bexit happened because people's concerns about immigration were just ignored, swept under the carpet by all three main parties making our democracy a farce. To make it worse anyone raising the issue was labelled racist. It's not a left v right issue, Brexit didn't come about because of the swivel eyed UKIP voters, it happened because the Labour heartlands voted for it on mass.

Is resigned magnanimity calling Brexiteers thick racist ****s?

Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is a better recruitment tool for these nutters than anything right wing nut jobs over here say or do.

Of course there are always a few nut jobs but 30,000 people thinking the 7/7 bombers did the right thing is quite a lot. This is not people who 'had sympathy for the cause' or 'understood the reasons' etc - the percentages for those are much higher they actually thought it was the correct thing to do. They watched the blood, carnage and misery caused on 7/7 and thought 'great'.