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Of course there are always a few nut jobs but 30,000 people thinking the 7/7 bombers did the right thing is quite a lot. This is not people who 'had sympathy for the cause' or 'understood the reasons' etc - the percentages for those are much higher they actually thought it was the correct thing to do. They watched the blood, carnage and misery caused on 7/7 and thought 'great'.

So by that survey 1% of UK Muslims thought that blowing up innocent civilians was the right thing to do. That's around 30,000 people living near us who want to see women and kids blown to bits in the name of Islam - nice.

That's because it usually is a disturbed loner, not gangs of people flying aircraft into sky scrapers, blowing up trains and airports or organised mass shootings. If it was just the odd loner I don't think anyone would be pointing the finger at the religion.

Plenty of people have spoken out about the far right, I don't remember ever hearing "whites are peaceful people, it's not a white problem" after a white supremacist mass murder.

I think we should make this our main Derby, I'm fed up waiting for that useless blue shower of ****e down the road to sort their **** out.

White extremism is a white problem, just like Islamic extremism is a Muslim problem. Islamic extremism is a far bigger threat to our safety. Honest enough for you?

Of course they are. My point is that the problem of extremism is never going to be dealt with unless people are honest. It is a Muslim problem. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful but it doesn't make it any less of a Muslim problem. People need educating and that is not done by sweeping the issue under the carpet. I have little interest in any religion and the first time I heard of Wahhabism and its roots from Saudi Arabia was from a post on here (can't remember who from). I have not seen one Muslim spokes person on TV even mention it following one of these massacres, all we ever get is "Islam is peaceful" - and they wonder why people in the west don't understand what is going on?

To be fair, if numerous 52 year olds from Kent had been committing multiple mass murders of innocents all around the world for years, in the name of "52 year olds from Kent" then we would probably have done something about it long ago.

The problem is that it is quite clearly a Muslim problem but you can't say that without people going spastic accusing you of blaming all Muslims. So the issue just gets swept under the carpet - lets just keep it simple and say it was a nutcase and Islam is peaceful then there is no issue to address.

The remain campaign handed leave the victory with their bull**** project fear and by pretending everyday issues people faced because of uncontrolled immigration didn't exist. Blaming the BBC for giving each side equal airtime is just laughable, especially when most of their coverage tended to favour remain anyway. You clearly failed to understand my point about big business, though that's not surprising.

I dunno, I think at best these sort of lone wolf attackers would have friends/associates who notice they have been acting weird or showing extreme views. Or contacts online with similar views. I doubt they are often part of any organised cell or group. The only way to try and combat it would be to have better links within the community, better surveillance online and more powers to detain people for extremist/ hate crimes. More armed police is a no brainer after what happened yesterday.

No I understand fine, it's your own distorted idea of what's fair you fail to understand. You appear to be of the opinion that some bloke from Weatherspoons' opinion carries the same weight among the general public as the governor of the Bank of England just because they are allowed the same amount of airtime.

No one is independent in politics so the way the BBC did it made perfect sense. If one side offers up the head of the Bank of England and the other some bloke from Wetherspoons then one side already has an advantage before the debate has begun. If they still lose then they obviously have the weaker argument. The idea that the BBC should decide who is independent and who is an expert and who is not in subjects like this is laughable.

So you think that prior to a show the BBC should decide who is right then give them more airtime. And it is unfair to give them the same airtime and let the quality of the debate and the person decide who is right. Fairness remoaner style.

And you think both arguments carried the same weight because of the amount of air time? Seriously? I get virtually all of my news via the BBC - radio 5 in the car, 2 at work and the website and tv at home. I rarely bother with newspapers. The possible negative effects of Brexit on the economy were made crystal clear, over and over again.

So by giving equal time they favoured leave. **** me I have heard it all now.

We can't imprison anyone for their beliefs but maybe more could be done to monitor or prosecute people who pose an obvious terrorist threat? More resources and powers for the police maybe.

Why can't you just be honest? Some parts of the media are obviously pro Brexit, I have no problem admitting that, the BBC clearly has a pro remain stance. Just because you remoaners lost, get over it.

If it is that guy then serious questions need to be asked, because he appears to be well known for his extremism.

The BBCs pro remain stance was obvious to me both before and after the result.

I certainly am not going to shed a tear for the death of a murderer but I'm also not going to dance on his grave because the British governments over the years have been guilty of causing much of the troubles in Northern Ireland. The Catholics in NI did have fair cause for grievance. I would never claim to know enough about what went on, unless you were there and saw what happened first hand I don't think you can really judge either way. From what I have read though the IRA were just a bunch of murdering gangsters, despised by much of the peaceful Catholic population as well as Protestant. Kids getting knee-capped, people living in fear etc. I think Tebbit is probably spot on about the reasons for him turning 'peaceful'.

Nonsense. While they shouldn't have hired him he should know better than anyone what his strengths were. Taking the cash for the job while knowing he was sh*t at people was very dishonest IMO.

You might see trees and wood. Round here you will be lucky to see many with all these new housing developments ripping the **** out of the beautiful countryside surrounding the village I live. Desperately trying to meet the demand for housing in this Remainer's paradise of mass uncontrolled immigration.

I don't have a problem with Scotland or NI doing their own thing.

Old people and their massive final salary pensions are the biggest drain. My Nan's generation were respected because they won the war, the next generation are just going to be remembered as the people who wracked up the debt and ****ed up the environment. By the time I'm old I expect We will be forced to work until we are 70, be on a breadline pension until 75 then compulsory death to save on medical bills.