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Cup win for me, we won't finish top 4 but we could win the cup.

I'm bitter and proud. F*ck the scouse c*nts, watching them fail is fantastic.

If you are so interested in the case why don't you post a timeline of how you think the McCanns could have carried it out that ties in with the evidence? Seems to me you are more interested in perpetuating a malicious conspiracy theory than try to get to the bottom of what actually happened - that's why people get the hump and why you get the responses you do. I don't have much time for people like the McCanns who neglect their children so would love to see them go down if they did it. I sort of buy the idea that people like that could drug their kid and maybe it went wrong (that's what I originally thought). But as soon as you look at the evidence in detail and the window of opportunity available I just don't think it's a realistic theory at all. Tell us how they could have done it and maybe you can change my mind...

Pap, no one is being bullied but it's frustrating because we keep going round in circles. You say the McCanns killed her because of them looking dodgy, dogs barking etc - I ask how you think they might have done it and you don't give an answer. i have already given my theories on what I think is most likely to have happened. I am genuinely interested in how you think they carried it out. How, why and when did they kill her, how did they dispose of the body and who else was in on it?

just a quick scan; 10pm He said she shouted: "They've taken her, they've taken her, they've taken our little girl." Mr McCann and the friends then ran to the apartment and began searching. According to Kate, the bedroom window was open and the shutter up, yet they had been closed and down when Gerry checked at 9pm. Kate searched the apartment and the area immediately outside. Estimated time 10.30 pm: Kate McCann was just panicking, frightened for Madeleine and wondering what happened to her, according to a statement from Fiona Payne. She described to police what she saw, when she returned to the McCann apartment, after searching the area around Ocean Club, with other members of the group of friends, for five to ten minutes, following the alert that Madeleine was missing. 0.10 am*police start operation and call PSP, PJ, Border and Immigration Services and Faro Airport. 'Silvia Batisa, head of administration at the complex, helped to comfort the family and interpret their interviews with the police: "The parents were devastated, in a panic. They wanted more police and dogs immediately. Kate said all the time, 'Please find my daughter' and 'Madeleine is beautiful'." * There was substantial searching involving tourists and locals for some hours. Kate remained in the apartment hoping for news, while Gerry went out and looked. The PJ arrived at 1am, according to the McCanns. There was substantial searching involving tourists and locals for some hours. Kate remained in the apartment hoping for news, while Gerry went out and looked. JOHN McCANN (Gerry McCanns' brother): He was walking the streets of Praia da Luz at half past three. I think most of the search party had disbanded by then and he was still crying his eyes out. By 3.30am the police had packed it in for the night. The searching was pretty much over. Gerry and Kate were frustrated and desperate. 04:00 Gerry went out at about 4am with David Payne, another of their group, hoping to find something. Later, at about 6am, the McCanns went out alone and walked around the scrubland on the outskirts of the village, holding hands and calling Madeleine's name. There was nobody else around and they felt utterly alone. ??? They got up at first light and went to search alone on the open scrubland beyond the resort, wandering around, calling Madeleine's name. It was cold and lonely – there was no answer.*

They did look for them according to that mccann files website.

So "some issue that members of the party are embarrassed about" is killing their own daughter! I sometimes wonder about some people on here. Have you managed to come up with one timeline of how they possibly carried it out yet? Just one theory of how, why and when they killed her and how they disposed of the body....

Have you got a link to this? It would be interesting to know how the McCanns concealed the body in a shallow grave for days, within walking distance when the area was search by hundreds of people and police with dogs. Also how do you suppose they dug the grave? Either they used their bare hands, took a shovel with them on holiday or there was a 24hr B&Q within walking distance.

I'm not a web-designer, you are just plain wrong about everything aren't you? It's not hard to come up with a possible version of events, it's just proving who did it that's hard. For example I think there are two scenarios that are most likely. Either a planned kidnapping by someone with links to the resort: 7.30pm McCanns put Madeline to bed 8.30pm They abandon her to go and get ****ed and stuff their faces with tapas as they have done routinely during their holiday. Sometime between 8.30pm and 10pm, a person or persons who has observed the fact they they leave their kids alone every evening, abducts her, puts her in their car and leaves the area. Or an opportunist abduction by a pervert: 7.30pm McCanns put Madeline to bed 8.30pm They abandon her to go and get ****ed and stuff their faces with tapas as they have done routinely during their holiday. Sometime between 8.30pm and 10pm, Madeline wakes and goes looking for her Mum and Dad, either manages to get out of the apartment and get abducted by a lone nonce or makes the fact that she is alone obvious and is abducted by nonce. This is of course only speculation based on what info is available online, only the Police will have all the necessary facts. See it's not hard, feel free to contribute your possible timeline...

If you could look at the evidence and come up with one possible timeline of events where they killed her and disposed of the body I might consider it, it's what anyone seriously investigating the case would do. Them killing their own daughter is a far fetched idea in itself, let alone making the body vanish in such a small time and put on such a good act covering it up. Even if the tapas 7 were in on it (gone from far-fetched to pure Hollywood with that idea) Gerry or Kate would only have a 2.5 hour window to kill her and dispose of the body, without a car, in a foreign country and at a busy holiday resort.

Some comments on the BBC: matt don 123: Luke Shaw not looking worth 30p let alone £30m. Jas Grewal: Shaw's positioning is so poor, he's been everywhere but in the left-back position

Just because you're mental doesn't mean you you're not a ****-head.

I think we're all a little bit mental to a degree, don't think you're anything special. Just because you're nuts doesn't mean you are ill.

Someone who looks on websites about forum posting styles is definitely not mental.

No but it's a valid reason why Kate McCann would not answer their questions when they were accusing her of killing her own daughter. The portuguese police are a joke and they obviously didn't like the McCanns making this aware to a worldwide audience. Plus there is the locals wanting rid of them because of the effect on tourism. I wouldn't be surprised if that dog evidence was just made up to get shot of them - if it was then it worked.

John Stalker: "I have been horrified by the abject failure of the Portuguese detectives to adhere to basic principles of policing."

"Their answer has always been no comment but there is surely some division between them. So what are they hiding? I have a real suspicion that we are not being told the whole truth. There is something else there, some issue that members of the party are embarrassed about." You don't have to be Sherlock f*cking Holmes, this is a bunch of people who left their kids alone and went out on the p!ss. They are obviously not saying everything because they don't want to be charged with child negligence. I wouldn't be surprised if none of the trips to check up on the kids actually happened and whilst Madeline was being abducted Kate was noshing off one of the tapas 7 in the bogs.

It's obvious he is pretty certain the McCanns didn't do it.

She refused to answer those questions because the mickey mouse police force who failed to find her daughter tried to pin it on her. Which questions out of the ones asked would have saved her child's life?

Awesome. Can't remember ever seeing a result and performance like that before.

So you think the tapas 7 are complicit in the murder/manslaughter?

I happy to believe the McCanns did it if someone comes up with a believable timeline of events. The reason no one can is because unless they used Bearsy's method I can't see any way Gerry could have made a body vanish when he didn't have a car and was in a foreign country.

There is always going to be inconsistencies in people's statements, more so in this case because they were all getting p!ssed while they should have been looking after their kids. IMO the reason the McCanns have probably been ruled out is because they had little or no opportunity to make a body vanish in the time available to them. The idea that the tapas 7 are all complicit in the murder/manslaughter of a young child is not really believable so it means that the McCanns somehow, without a car and in a foreign country, managed to make a body vanish in 1/2 hour or so in-between courses of their tapas meal. Can you give one possible theory of how they could have done it that ties in with the timeline of events of the day...

It was just blood, any blood. I expect if someone staying in the apartment a week before had dropped a used tampon on the floor the dog would bark like a goodun. And the other dog that "sniffs out corpses" would alert to cadaver which can be from a bit of decaying blood, or an old w@nkstain. One such dog "sniffed out a corpse" in the Shannon Matthews case and she was found alive. Turns out someone had died years ago on some furniture they brought second hand. The MET will know exactly what value to put on that dog evidence.

There is nothing stopping the MET treating them as prime suspects, the investigation will go where the evidence leads them. I really worry about your sanity if you think someone who killed someone would actively petition the MET to investigate their own crime years later after they have got away with it. What for, publicity, a weird sort of kick? This is Hollywood B movie stuff.