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Looks to me like most the people of the Ukraine want to be part of the EU and Russia can't handle that fact so are trying to grab what they can (like they did). Backing the rebels in the east is part of that and this tragedy is a direct result.

Russia has a lot to answer for, the situation in Ukraine is completely their doing. If there was any doubt as to who was responsible for this tragedy it has disappeared after Russia's rather timid reaction. They know they have f*cked up because the rest of the world just cannot ignore the situation and do nothing whilst passenger jets are being blown out of the sky.

Not sure there is anything odd about that, there is plenty of variations in the flight paths. I think it shows quite clearly why the flight might have made itself more of a target.

It's not just losing 3 players though is it. Most importantly we have lost our manager. Lovren and Schneiderlin will probably go as well. Osvaldo and Ramirez clearly don't want to be here. This summer we needed to get rid of the players that are not good enough and build on the squad but we have done neither so far. A few good signings and I will change my mind but at the moment (which is all we can judge on) we are not good enough.

Top 3 Chelsea Man City Arsenal Bottom 3 Saints West Brom Burnley Promoted Reading Derby Fulham If we make 4 or 5 decent signings before the season I may change my mind, at the moment our squad is way short of what we need to stay up IMO. The spine of our team has left or is leaving, our top scorer is injured, players we wanted rid of are still here, and others who are here clearly don't want to be (Osvaldo, Ramirez).

On PPRuNe some one reckons one of the rebel leaders posted something on their site claiming they had shot down a cargo plane, then quickly changed it after news of the airliner came through. There is also a photo, supposedly of a BUK SAM launcher taken in a town 75k East of Donetsk. Looks like the Russians have been handing out hardware to a bunch of f*ckwit rebels and the poor souls on that flight have paid the price.

Big difference, but could be the same people that did it. Or of course a **** up by Ukraine trying to get revenge.

Didn't Russia shoot down a plane over there the other day?

What's the point in suggesting these songs when the best original one we've managed to make up in the last decade is; Fergie, you're a c*nt Fergie, Fergie, you're a c*nt

United Review sells for £3, that means they must flog over 250,000 per game. That's pretty good going TBF

I guess they are expecting us to be sh!t because we flogged all our best players.

Hope so, they certainly have potential. It's a big ask though, I think Lambert was involved in something like 46% of Saints goals last season (the same percentage as Suarez for Liverpool. It would be interesting to know what percentage Lallana and Lambert were involved in.

The only thing I have issue with is the "Premier League can no long attract the best" - it never has. Can't argue with what he says about Saints.

It's good that she's stepped down, it was a bizarre decision to have someone so closely linked in charge of it. If there was widespread abuse going on in the 80's then there should be plenty of victims around now to report the offences to the Police. The plod will have to act on any complaint in today's climate.

Reading those it looks like it will be 5-3-2. Shame Shaw's gone, he would have done well as a wing-back.

Back to 5th/6th for Liverpool next year, would be great if they implode, put a sh!t load of pressure on the deserters.

Same here. Those lower league years all seem to merge into one for me, can only really think of a handful of games I can remember off the top of my head.

Could well be.

Only annoying thing is that without a brand logo the club badge should be central.

Very nice, two good kits. Well done Saint's kit designer person.

Beattie can say whatever he wants. I don't get why everyone starts bed-wetting as soon as someone says something slightly negative, we've learned from the past that this things often turn out to be true.

Agree 100%. I hated all this "isn't it nice he's gone to his childhood club" ******. We gave away our most important player for a song and basically sent a message to the entire squad that if you fancy moving somewhere else we will not attempt to stand in your way.

We are in a bit of a unique situation, I can't remember any club losing this amount of quality players and management in a summer before. If it is handled well and we could improve the position of the club, it is a great opportunity to strengthen the squad. But make no mistake, if we buy the wrong players, don't invest enough or if the manager isn't up to the job, we could get relegated easily. The Premier League is so competitive, it is a very fine line between where we were last year and relegation.

At least it's clear why Cortese jumped ship, he sold a bunch a players his pipe-dream and got the hell out before the inevitable happened, I expect he left a big ****ing debt for the current board to clear up as well.

Maybe the difficult financial position he was talking about was because the owner wanted to take £50mill out the club?