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I don't usually go on other teams forums but reading that link is funny. That Riddle bloke is obviously an architect working on the Tescos project, it's funny watching him desperately try and sell the idea of being penned in forever by a massive Tescos.

I will probably vote UKIP if it appears they are best placed to compete with the Tories in my area. Sadly where I live the current voting system means if I vote for what I believed in I had might as well roll my ballot paper up and shove it up my arse. "Vote Nigel wake up with Ed" - that would be OK with me.

I see they've sussed out his lack of plan B already: "Poch has, again consistently, failed to make any tactical change of note. His subsitutions are actually good, but often too late. Further no tactical change ensues. At Southampton he had an unenviable record of never winning a game from a losing position, nothing has changed here."

Finishing above Everton, Spurs and Liverpool looks achievable. I doubt we will be anywhere near Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal and Man Utd though. We will have a clearer idea once we have had a few hard games, the fixture list has been kind. The good thing is we have the points on the board so can go into those games high on confidence and without any pressure.

Finishing 8th with us is not really looking like much of an achievement anymore. I won't give Poch much time if things carry on like they are.

Northam is still much better, can't even hear Itchen most of the time.

So he can't go and watch football because of his political viewpoint? Bizarre

Agree with this

Play the strongest team possible, days out at Wembley and silverware is what it's all about.

To be fair, Koeman has got better players. who know what we would be like if we still had sh!t like Lallana, Lambert and Lovren in the side.

I don't think we will get a better chance because apart from City and Chelsea everyone looks beatable. BUT we have had easy fixtures, we will have a better idea of our chances in January. Between the 30th Nov and 10th of Jan we play Man Utd twice, Arsenal twice, Man City, Chelsea and Everton. So far we've had two hard games Liverpool and Spurs - and lost both.

Some people don't seem to understand what a hypothetical question is. Of course we want to win both. Things are looking good in the league but fact is we won't finish top 4 and it's unlikely that we will be top 6 come May so a cup win would be great.

Cup win for me, we won't finish top 4 but we could win the cup.

I'm bitter and proud. F*ck the scouse c*nts, watching them fail is fantastic.

If you are so interested in the case why don't you post a timeline of how you think the McCanns could have carried it out that ties in with the evidence? Seems to me you are more interested in perpetuating a malicious conspiracy theory than try to get to the bottom of what actually happened - that's why people get the hump and why you get the responses you do. I don't have much time for people like the McCanns who neglect their children so would love to see them go down if they did it. I sort of buy the idea that people like that could drug their kid and maybe it went wrong (that's what I originally thought). But as soon as you look at the evidence in detail and the window of opportunity available I just don't think it's a realistic theory at all. Tell us how they could have done it and maybe you can change my mind...

Pap, no one is being bullied but it's frustrating because we keep going round in circles. You say the McCanns killed her because of them looking dodgy, dogs barking etc - I ask how you think they might have done it and you don't give an answer. i have already given my theories on what I think is most likely to have happened. I am genuinely interested in how you think they carried it out. How, why and when did they kill her, how did they dispose of the body and who else was in on it?

just a quick scan; 10pm He said she shouted: "They've taken her, they've taken her, they've taken our little girl." Mr McCann and the friends then ran to the apartment and began searching. According to Kate, the bedroom window was open and the shutter up, yet they had been closed and down when Gerry checked at 9pm. Kate searched the apartment and the area immediately outside. Estimated time 10.30 pm: Kate McCann was just panicking, frightened for Madeleine and wondering what happened to her, according to a statement from Fiona Payne. She described to police what she saw, when she returned to the McCann apartment, after searching the area around Ocean Club, with other members of the group of friends, for five to ten minutes, following the alert that Madeleine was missing. 0.10 am*police start operation and call PSP, PJ, Border and Immigration Services and Faro Airport. 'Silvia Batisa, head of administration at the complex, helped to comfort the family and interpret their interviews with the police: "The parents were devastated, in a panic. They wanted more police and dogs immediately. Kate said all the time, 'Please find my daughter' and 'Madeleine is beautiful'." * There was substantial searching involving tourists and locals for some hours. Kate remained in the apartment hoping for news, while Gerry went out and looked. The PJ arrived at 1am, according to the McCanns. There was substantial searching involving tourists and locals for some hours. Kate remained in the apartment hoping for news, while Gerry went out and looked. JOHN McCANN (Gerry McCanns' brother): He was walking the streets of Praia da Luz at half past three. I think most of the search party had disbanded by then and he was still crying his eyes out. By 3.30am the police had packed it in for the night. The searching was pretty much over. Gerry and Kate were frustrated and desperate. 04:00 Gerry went out at about 4am with David Payne, another of their group, hoping to find something. Later, at about 6am, the McCanns went out alone and walked around the scrubland on the outskirts of the village, holding hands and calling Madeleine's name. There was nobody else around and they felt utterly alone. ??? They got up at first light and went to search alone on the open scrubland beyond the resort, wandering around, calling Madeleine's name. It was cold and lonely – there was no answer.*

They did look for them according to that mccann files website.

So "some issue that members of the party are embarrassed about" is killing their own daughter! I sometimes wonder about some people on here. Have you managed to come up with one timeline of how they possibly carried it out yet? Just one theory of how, why and when they killed her and how they disposed of the body....

Have you got a link to this? It would be interesting to know how the McCanns concealed the body in a shallow grave for days, within walking distance when the area was search by hundreds of people and police with dogs. Also how do you suppose they dug the grave? Either they used their bare hands, took a shovel with them on holiday or there was a 24hr B&Q within walking distance.

I'm not a web-designer, you are just plain wrong about everything aren't you? It's not hard to come up with a possible version of events, it's just proving who did it that's hard. For example I think there are two scenarios that are most likely. Either a planned kidnapping by someone with links to the resort: 7.30pm McCanns put Madeline to bed 8.30pm They abandon her to go and get ****ed and stuff their faces with tapas as they have done routinely during their holiday. Sometime between 8.30pm and 10pm, a person or persons who has observed the fact they they leave their kids alone every evening, abducts her, puts her in their car and leaves the area. Or an opportunist abduction by a pervert: 7.30pm McCanns put Madeline to bed 8.30pm They abandon her to go and get ****ed and stuff their faces with tapas as they have done routinely during their holiday. Sometime between 8.30pm and 10pm, Madeline wakes and goes looking for her Mum and Dad, either manages to get out of the apartment and get abducted by a lone nonce or makes the fact that she is alone obvious and is abducted by nonce. This is of course only speculation based on what info is available online, only the Police will have all the necessary facts. See it's not hard, feel free to contribute your possible timeline...

If you could look at the evidence and come up with one possible timeline of events where they killed her and disposed of the body I might consider it, it's what anyone seriously investigating the case would do. Them killing their own daughter is a far fetched idea in itself, let alone making the body vanish in such a small time and put on such a good act covering it up. Even if the tapas 7 were in on it (gone from far-fetched to pure Hollywood with that idea) Gerry or Kate would only have a 2.5 hour window to kill her and dispose of the body, without a car, in a foreign country and at a busy holiday resort.

Some comments on the BBC: matt don 123: Luke Shaw not looking worth 30p let alone £30m. Jas Grewal: Shaw's positioning is so poor, he's been everywhere but in the left-back position

Just because you're mental doesn't mean you you're not a ****-head.

I think we're all a little bit mental to a degree, don't think you're anything special. Just because you're nuts doesn't mean you are ill.