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How could I gat an assult rifle then? You're being insulted because you are talking nonsense. The laws in the UK are massively different and make US style massacres much much less likely. One reason why americans are thought of as thick is because they make similar arguments that you do.

If you really want a firearm anywhere in the World I'm sure you can get them somewhere, that doesn't stop the UK's laws being massively different to the Us though. Even the basic principle is different in that in the UK owning a firearm is a privilege not a right. If I found out someone was having it off with my Mrs, in the US I could pop down the shop and be round their house in a hour's time with an assult rifle, a couple of pistols as back up and a bag full of ammo. In the UK if I wanted ANY firearm I would have to be assessed by the licensing authority, the police, as not posing a threat to public safety and be a fit person to own it and demonstrate to the licensing authority that I require a firearm on a regular, legitimate basis for work, sport or leisure - which I couldn't. I don't know anyone on in the black market so I would have to rock up at the guy's house with an air rifle and try to aim at his eye to cause any serious damage.

I doubt that would be an issue, we still havn't spent all our cash from the summer.

You seriously think our gun control laws are any way similar to the yanks? Firearms control in the UK is among of the toughest in the world. I do wonder what sort of weirdos post on these websites.

Guns are illegal in the UK, hence the lesser amount of gun crime. I'm not sure how that can be interpreted wrong?

Guns are cool, and most Yanks are just f*cking thick, that's the problem.

I think the ref got it spot on, I hate this line of thought that just because there is a bit of contact it's OK to dive like a complete c*nt. Football is a contact sport. Fabregas saw Target slip and manufactured the incident. We need a panel of ball-busting refs reviewing games and handing out 1-2 match bans retrospectively - that is the only way to stop it.

Surely the amount of immigration means more should be spent on services not less?

I'm sure it will look OK when it's finished.

I dunno, I think we're quite a tolerant bunch. Muslim countries tend to let themselves down a bit though. For example in Saudi Arabia overtly worshiping any other god than Islam's risk arrest, imprisonment, lashing, deportation, and sometimes torture. Deciding you don't fancy being a muslim and would rather be Christian is an offence punishable by death.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories but the lack of wreckage is getting increasingly odd. It's obviously a large area where it could have come down but surely something would have shown up by now? I don't see any reason to doubt the INMARSAT information though, the science seems to hold up and they seem transparent enough about how they got the info and worked it out.

Same here. The problem I had is my rabbit chewed through my router cable and i just wanted a new one - ended up talking to about 100 f*cking Indians who obviously didn't have "rabbit chewed through router" on their list of problems so I was caught in a perpetual loop. Only when I cancelled was I put through to someone with a decent grasp of English.

After getting so much money this summer it is easy to forget that Lovren is Liverpool's 4th most expensive signing ever. He cost the same as Torres and only a couple of mill less than Saurez. No wonder the scousers are p!ssed off.

Probably put pressure on our politicians to try and tackle the problem instead of take the easy, short-term option and just ignore it.

The problem is all the people we have elected seem to just ignore the blindingly obvious, or choose to do nothing about it. As for being an MP, Brand will probably have more effect doing what he is at the moment, using his fame and wit, than being a lone voice in Parliament. It is said that the pen is mightier than the sword, maybe in today's world the media is mightier than the ballot box? It is obvious the current system is f*cked up and unsustainable when a banker can earn in one day what a nurse earns in a year just because he knows how to play the system. We can either do f*ck all and say "that's just how it is" and sleepwalk into the next crash or we can TRY and do something about it. Maybe by doing what he is, Brand is making our politicians wonder why some hairy former crack-head is more popular than they are. Every time he embarrasses one of them on question time he is getting his point across.

Agree with the above, interesting insight Verbal.

Are Cork, Morgan and Wanyama all definitely out?

I agree 100% about extremism being driven UK and US foreign policy but there was never enough evidence of WMDs to warrant going to war over wether it was obtained by torture or not. Iraq barely had a working tank use to the years of sanctions let alone a WMD capability. It was always about oil and regime change. Disagree about the slippery slope thing, the CIA have not stepped over the edge they have slightly put their toes over the edge and already been held to account for it. The idea that in today's world it will lead to western countries dragging people off the street and torturing them is just nonsense.

Normal service resumed, back to being sh!t. Our squad is so lacking strength in depth, at least we should have enough points on the board to stay up.

I meant irrelevant in the context of the performance and methods of the US security services, Guantanamo etc. Fact is the US hasn't suffered another 9/11 so as much as torture etc is morally wrong their methods have been successful - that is all the US public will give a sh!te about. As for their methods creating more extremists - the UK doesn't use torture (as far as we know) yet more of our people are going over to fight for ISIS than Americans.

Oh not your f*cking fairy tales again, I would have thought you would have knocked those on head after the Lee Rigby episode. Anyway, wether Bin Laden was killed by the Yanks or not is irrelevant, the US has avoided another 9/11 type attack in the years since the original despite becoming even more hated throughout the Middle East so it is hard to criticise it's security services.

I think evidence from Guantanamo helped catch Bin Laden, and the US hasn't had another 9/11. How is that not successful from a US person's point of view?

Probably increased the chances. But fact is they have been pretty successful at stopping another 9/11 happening.

Probably because, whilst torture is morally wrong, the Yanks don't fancy another 9/11.

Same us us, top 6 maybe, top 4 no chance. 7th or 8th probably.