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And a year later yet another managerial disaster, he's one seriously unlucky guy this Lowe.

Why do people bang on about Cardiff and Bucharest like they we two different achievments? We got a lucky cup run, got dicked in the final, qualified for Europe through the back door and got dumped out in the first round. Exactly what Millwall did a year later - in footballing in terms we achieved pretty much **** all.

I think with Lowe relegation is a certainty, if not this season then next or the one after. His lack of affinity with the game and his arrogance will always be his downfall. There is no point in a Lowe out campaign beause there is no one else interested, we just have to wait until someone with money comes along, probably after admin.

They are expecting around 28K

I see the gun-runner is starting to cash in: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/7787323.stm

The club is losing money now, take away the TV money, half the amount of fans and the club wont have a chance of avoiding admin. League 1 is seriously ****e, last season Bournemouth had games where under 100 away fans turned up.

Have to agree with this, there is no way Kelvin will fetch more than 1mill. I think selling Drew or Lallana now would be daft, neither are near their peak, it would be better for us, the player and the bank if we wait until at least the summer. Lallana inparticular has the potential to fetch serious cash if he keeps improving.

Pompey will only be in trouble if they have to sell their top players, with their current squad they will not be in any danger of relegation - even with donkey Adams in charge.

Of course all managers buy some rubbish, it's just a case of how many. That's why it is vital to get the best manager possible, hiring someone just because they are cheap or will just be a yes man is the best way to waste money. When you're skint and have to blood on kids, a talented manager is the first thing you need.

Of course they were all brought in to replace more expensive players, but you cannot argue that Jan has had the resources to build his own team. Paying Forecast's wages is a complete waste of money, dito Pulis and Gasmi - Jan chose to sign them when they were injured - is that a good use of resources? Smith - another complete waste of money. Scheiderlin - good player but for 1.5mill he hasn't done nearly enough. Holmes - looked OK but another player we knew was injury prone. Peckhart - waste of money. Wotton - could do a job but not suited to Jans style - waste of money. We are not in a situation where we can waste any money, can you honestly tell me that bringing this lot in has been good management in our situation?

The managers/coaches wages are pretty irrelivant in the whole scheme of things. We have had the money to bring in: Forecast Cork Pearce Scheiderlin Wotton Smith Robertson Peckhart Holmes Pulis Gasmi Hiring a manager because they are cheap is NEVER cost effective. A few bad signings and you are blowing thousands a week on bench warmers. **** knows how much Forecast, Pulis, Gasmi, Peckhrt, Wotton, Holmes etc are costing us for doing naff all.

Makes sense right up until the Limited resources = JP bit. We're skint and have to use youngsters like loads of teams have to, the dutch total football thing is a completely unecessary gamble.

Ince has not proved himself at ANY level, my Nan could have got MKDons out of League 2.

This all seems so depressingly futile, Crouch has not exactly covered himself in glory in this whole episode, any changes of chairman/Cheif Exec will probably just be rearranging the deck chairs. The only way out is having the club owned outright by someone, the only way that will happen is if we go bust IMO. Admin is inevitable, we just have to hope there is something half decent afterwards.

That is not necesarily the case, if Crouch could come up with something decent then Wilde or even some of Lowe's butt boys might turn. For example if Crouch lined up David Dein and offered to pay his wages out of his own pocket if Lowe and Wilde fecked off. If something half decent is on the table it would give the fans something to boycott about - a few games of -10K attendances and Lowe would soon see the folly of hanging on. Lowe only holds a few shares, if you split him from his other backers he is pretty insignificant.

There is nothing the fans can do to effect who owns/runs the club unless someone with some clout come up with a plan. If Crouch comes up with a better alternative then maybe boycotts/protests could help force Lowe and Wilde out.

I think a decent manager could have this side comfortably mid-table, we have some good players, many of whom could walk into some other Championship sides. Poortvliet looks like he's going to get us relegated IMO.

I think we all agree that there is no real alternative to Lowe at the moment, that doesn't mean we have to agree with his crazy Dutch total football experiments.

IMO the wider fanbase is less optimistic and way more anti Lowe than this forum.

Wilde is just one of many who got lucky with the property boom, he is walking proof that being rich doesn't mean you have brains.

Selling our best players in January would not make footballing or financial sense, it would just be commiting suicide. The whle future of the club depends on staying in this division, if we need to sell players do it in the summer, not halfway through a season where you are staring relegation in the face. Surman and Lallana are not at their peak, their value will only go up, floging them for a couple of million and condeming your club to admin makes no sense at all.

This realy is a very sad state of affairs. IMO it is pointless calling for the manager to be sacked because I really can't see any decent alternative who would want to work with Lowe. If there was one I think we have probably blown what resources we have so it would probably be an impossible task to turn things around anyway. Lowe had one chance this summer to get it right, there was no margin for error and he has ****ed it good and proper. It is also pointless calling for Lowe to go as there is obviously not even a hint of a take over. Wilde has proved himself completely incapable of running the club on his own, Crouch only has 10% and whilst I think he would be better than Lowe he wont get the chance because of the politics. All we can do is sit and watch while we slide into league 1 and go bust. Our only hope is that someone turns up after admin buys the club outright and gives us some sort of future. In many ways if we were on -10 in League 1, but with a new owner who actually has a bit of cash and a plan, the future would actually be more rosy than it is now with the current lot.

What did they sing that was so bad?

Surman wouldn't have a problem making the step up at all IMO, there are plenty of worse players in the Prem at the moment. Rory Delap for one.

If you think Rudi has been playing worse than Mill's you need your head looking at. And the fact that he is being played out of position is totally the managers fault. Poortvleit decided to bring in numerous attacking players who have made next to no contribution (Smith/Gasmi/Peckhart) plus waste money on wages for a 3rd goal keeper when bringing in a decent left back could sure up the defence and allow our Chek Republic international midfielder play in midfield.