OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint

Watched the game live and thought we were lucky. Watched MotD and thought we were very lucky, but then watched the 30 minute highlights on Sky and it looked 50/50. This is what happens when wins are so rare. Watch them over and over again. My overall verdict - we were lucky. Ultimately, really like Ramsdale. His saves were a three point swing. Fernandes top player. Archer looking good again. Thought in defence THB had a good game and Sugawara's cameo was excellent. Always thought our squad can compete in this league but they've got to practice the quick breaks.

Agree with all this except the last sentence. I genuinely think there is talent in the squad and that they really care. They're just having the life taken out of them by the manager's bonkers tactics.

What can the fans do about it? The only time I've ever heard our fans sing in chorus: "Your football is sh*t" about our own team was at Palace in the Cup a couple of years ago when Mr Jones was manager. He didn't last much longer after that. I'd be surprised if RM's out the door before the international break but maybe it's time to let SR know from the terraces what the majority are thinking of this football. Five minutes to go and we're trailing against Everton. Boos are one thing but a song echoing around the ground attracts media interest and will attract SR's attention.

Anyone else think that losing to Stoke Reserves with most of your first team could have been curtains for RM? There comes a point when SR realises that no successor is better than what's happening at the moment.

Another telling moment was when Fernandes rifled a typically crap cross in to the centre and it spooned off a defender for a corner. It could have gone anywhere...including the goal. And that's the point. Yes, it's preferable to get the ball to the bye line but just get the ball in the middle and challenge for it. So many times we're 20/30 yards away from a team's penalty area and the next thing it's either with our central defenders or back to goalie. Pump it in there.

After his goal, surely it's Bree!

And there's no 'H' in Sugawara

Christ, they sound like two people sitting at home in their armchairs talking to each other while watching the footie. It's actually getting quite interesting but you wouldn't have thought so with these commentators

Not sure I agree with that either but we need a focal point in the centre.

Big Les certainly isn't our next Lavia and oh my God, Cornet is truly awful. I thought he came with a bit of a good reputation him when he joined us. Stoke are dreadful. We should have had 10+ shots on goal that half. Instead we've had what three...four

SAA seems to have dropped a long way down the pecking order. Like this team, though still think TP/Archer up front should be given a try. Don't know the Stoke players at all but my money is on >3 for Saints

RM is very good at being verbose without saying a lot. That could cover a multitude of players/formations. I'm going for TP up front with Cornet (if fit).

Totally agree. Genuinely think Archer is looking like one of the most competent strikers we've signed in quite a few years. He gets in to positions which people like AA, Mara etc etc just didn't see.

I reckon that's the point. It would have been negligent for SR not to have made overtures to various managers but it's how you make the overture that's important. "Hey Moyesy, hey Graham fancy giving us losers a go?" isn't going to work. But presumably managers also have agents and our recruitment people should be hammering down the doors of Moyes and Potter and presenting them with proposals they can't refuse.

Could have done with Palace not beating Spurs, but ultimately, Wolves & Palace are going to pick up points. We're now rapidly going to be left behind unless rabbits are drawn out of hats for Everton & Wolves. Yes we have a mediocre squad, but they're not a 1 point out of 27 squad. Would like to see two up front for these next two games (TP and Archer). We need to be brave 😉

And with Ralph, I always got the feeling he wanted the best for the club and had the club's best interests at heart. With RM, I've always had the feeling he's got RM's best interests at heart and the club is a stepping stone. This 'I'll live and die by my principles' nonsense is telling us he'd rather preserve his 'principles' and take us down rather than adapt to the situation we're in. Or perhaps he's just too stubborn to accept what's he's doing is wrong. A few posters have commented on the lack of footballing men in the hierarchy of the club. There doesn't seem to be anyone at the top to tell him to change direction even though we can all see that's what's needed.

And quite a few on this forum were predicting this is exactly what Pep would say! Don't listen SR. Russell Martin should not be managing our team

Because these managers got the team fit, and though the team weren't great players, they did ok. With 9 games gone and one point on the board, ordinarily you'd be dead and buried. But this year, there are four team really struggling and we have a 'Get out of jail free' card given to us on a plate. What really concerns/annoys me is the RM is holding the card and he doesn't know what to do with it. Everton home/Wolves away. Seasoning defining matches.

Doesn't it just? So it's not just me, it's almost embarrassing.

Stop putting everyone in the 6 yard box to defend a corner. It doesn't work you thick twats!

I still can't believe SR gave RM a 3 year contract. In his position, he would have grasped a one year rolling contract. FFS, with four/five league games to go last year, we were looking all over the place. And he's not a footballer with a sell-on fee. Did we really think clubs would be clambering over themselves to get a piece of RM? If it costs half a Sulemana to replace him, it must make business sense to depart with him. I still think there's a lot of talent in our current squad and it's a squad capable of mid table anonymity with a half decent manager.

I always thought VAR can get involved if there was a 'clear and obvious error'. Using that reasoning, VAR saw Taylor didn't intervene on TP's tug so should have been equally lenient on Fraser's tug. I sometimes think our problem is our guys don't throw themselves to the floor or surround the ref enough.

That's the thing. Many of these previous nightmares were pre-VAR. If anything, it was VAR that was against us on Saturday. They didn't pick up on TP's pull back (admittedly Taylor saw it too) but Taylor initially gave the goal and they were all too quick to get him to check the monitor.

They have had a tough start and one of my work colleagues who played for their academy when younger and follows them says they're playing OK and scoring goals so he's not concerned yet. But we'll have TP and Archer starting and will give them a shock on 9th November. Last time I was there the only shock we got was Che missing from one foot!

So early in the season and already looking like three from the current four bottom will go down. Wolves are also scoring goals which is a concern