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Taking a punt on Lancaster Gate.

Consider when watching this, it cost the same to make as a semi detached property in Fair Oak. It's serious unpolished, but pretty spectacular as fan fiction goes. The cast for a production of this sort is a marvel.

As far as I was aware, the drone strike happened nearly two weeks before it was leaked.

The U.S. is not the only nation who needs natural resources, they will be a factor.

I would argue that the oil fields are of importance, but they are key to allowing the local populace stay self sufficient, clumsily 'liberate' them and that will further alienate the moderates who just want a quiet life. In an odd way it shows some lessons have been learnt since the Gulf and more recent Afghan conflicts.

Keep suggesting alternatives.

Depends where the black market is pointing. The western economy is not the whole world. The Levant itself is not an arid wasteland, it's a diverse region with natural resources and fertile lands capable of sustaining a population if managed correctly. Currently Daesh are doing a respectable job of it.

Daesh controls all of Syria's major oil fields and a good number of the Iraqi ones. If it was purely economic then there would already have been action. It's not just about the US. It's about Russia, Europe, North Africa, anyone different. You speak airy fairy language about doing anything that would work towards peace. You offer economic sanctions as an idea. Daesh is now financially independent of anything the traditional west can do due to their control of oil production and it's black market sales in the middle east and north Africa. They do not work in a global environment, they work in their own world, their own entity. Try again.

Answer it. I have said that an UN response or combined Arab League/Europe/US etc response would be preferable. Answer the question... Would you sanction that?

Possibly in Iraq, but all of the major Syrian oil fields are now held by Daesh. They are happily selling it on, building their economy from it.

It doesn't. I have said that an UN response or combined Arab League/Europe/US etc response would be preferable. Answer the question... Would you sanction that? If not, What do you do? You say that doing nothing is not an option yet offer no viable alternative. I'm not humouring you any more unless you answer the question.

They should be brought to justice, but those are individuals, not an organised 'state' set up to destroy those who are different. Back to the question. By doing nothing, people in the Levant will still die while Daesh expands. The Kurdish people in Syria/Iraq. The Christian minority in the Levant. The poor Yazidi's who are being massacred. What to do?

By doing nothing, people in the Levant will still die while Daesh expands. The Kurdish people in Syria/Iraq. The Christian minority in the Levant. The poor Yazidi's who are being massacred. What to do?

But, going back to the last question that you have not answered. You would be ok with combined international action to destroy Daesh? Given that diplomacy with an entity that is utterly given to destroy us is not an option, what do you do?

Would you advocate it Mr Chamberlain?

Take a combined coalition of the US, EU, Russia and Arab League working to destroy Daesh. It could rid the world of a terrible evil and provide common ground for the combined international community to build a lasting peace going forward. A difficult price in it's own to get there but worth trying.

Again, ignoring the fact that Terrorism is not their means for control in their occupied territories in the Levant. They have an Army, an occupying force, a government, a capital, a financial infrastructure and economy and Territories larger then the UK. This is a fight-able enemy.

They will undoubtably use the same tactics as they have done in the Levant. Fear, violence... indoctrination. This is not a sensible force, this is ideologically driven genocidal mob. Given the choice of submit or die, a higher proportion of people then are desirable will submit and go along with it. The Rwandan genocide in the 1990's shows that normal sensible people will succumb to horror if it saves their skin. This evil must be opposed now otherwise more will submit to it to survive.

But based in the Levant, and directing things from there. Cut off the head, the body withers. Those that are more moderate find another way. Points made earlier. Points you keep ignoring. Points you keep asking us to repeat.

That is their intent, to over-run the world. To eradicate anyone they consider infidel by any means necessary. And you want to invite them to tea.

You're on a wind up aren't you. This is about destroying an extremist faction. Not a people or a populace. Daesh is about destroying anything that is separate to them. Be it moderate Sunni's, Shi'a, Jew, Catholic, Sikh, Buddist, Agnostic ANYONE different. This is not about advocating Genocide, this is about stopping it.

Your solution is to bargain with an entity that would see death as glorious and anything other then our own destruction as an affront to their beliefs. The origin of that is our responsibility as you pointed out. We must get involved to stop them before they come and end us. Stop arguing for something that is pointless. There were radical Nazis, sympathisers and traitors in WW2, that is an obsolete argument. A war against ISIS has the potential to galvanise the West and moderate middle east together to stop a greater threat. Those that misrepresent Islam for their own genocidal means. Your moderate stance just plays into the hands of the greatest threat to the modern world since National Socialism.

He handled the war war rather well. Keep flailing.

That took a long time to respond to.... They were the heads of the organisation though, deposed by the war effort and then killed. Their deaths broke the resistance of their organisations, their states. They could not be negotiated with but their deaths were a powerful statement that broke the beast. Your point was that negotiation will always be a possibility, that the deaths of the power brokers was required to stop the enemy and bring hostilities to a final cessation undermines your point entirely. You are backed into a corner and flailing.

...As well as anyone that doesn't acquiesce to their will.