Matthew Le God

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Why do you believe in God? They are not coincidences! The prophecies in the Bible are so vague they are worthless as predictions. If they are prophecies from God why not name names, name dates. Instead they are extremely vague, largely without time limits and people try to shoe horn them to match events 2,000 years later.

1) Did they work towards creating a country? Yes, I really don't see how anyone can dispute that! 2) 'planted oil in it' Where in the Bible does it mention oil being in Israel??? Plus oil is made of creatures that are millions of years old. The Bible states the world is 6,000 years old. 3) 'Russia, Iran and Turkey have sent soilders to the Northern border of this country' Where in the Bible does the Bible mention that those countries would do that?

Why do you think it is? Wishing something to be true... doesn't make it true. When you are about to die some people may want more... does not mean it is possible.

I am open to changing my mind if you provide good evidence. I've rebutted every single point you've made in this thread. You have an extremely low bar for the level of evidence you are willing to accept in order to beleive something. You have moved onto vague self fulfilling prophecies now... which is just nonsense.

Is Vladimir Putin named in the Bible? If it can see the future why does it not use names and dates?

So you don't think people made Israel become a nation? At what point in the creation of the nation was God involved? Jews wanted a nation... they worked to create it. No God required.

Did you read the bit about self fulfilling prophecies? Jews knew this passage was in the Bible and actively worked towards fulfilling it. How is that remarkable prediction of the future? It is people working towards trying to meet a goal in an old book. If I order a meal at a restaurant and the waiter fulfils that order by bringing that meal to the table... is that a prophecy I've made about a meal coming to my table coming true?

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No it wasn't. See post #373

This is deeply flawed for a number of reasons. Lets start shall we... 1) Do you know what a 'self fulfilling prophecy' means? Because if someone is aware of an old prophecy and then people are actively working towards fulfilling it... it isn't in the slightest remarkable. 2) The Bible passage you quote is so vague and doesn't even have dates. Why does it not mention 1948? That would at least at least make it a little more impressive, but even if it did have dates that happened accurately I'd then refer you to my first point 3) You say 'as if by magic Israel became a nation'. The creation of Israel was due to people working to make it happen. How is that magic or divine intervention? Jews wanted it to happen... so they worked to make it happen So that is one prophecy in the Bible that we can now establish as vague self fulfilling nonsense. Do you have any others?

It is a riveting read, you should publish it

That is far more impressive than any prediction in the Bible and yet predictions like that are flawed as it is possible for them to be manipulated and people actively working towards fulfilling them (so aren't divine in nature).

Please give us a passage from the Bible that predicts the 21st century.

The Bible is packed full of claims that God knows the future. Do you not believe those bits? If he knows the future then he knew Adam and Eve would fail the test... thus the test was futile as he knew the outcome. He always intended to remove Adam and Eve from the garden of Eden as he set the rules for a test he knew they would fail.

Are you serious? You think the Bible predicts the 21st century and those predictions came from God?

I wasn't using it as evidence. It is true regardless of it being part of a stand up routine. Here it is in New Scientist magazine... https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11764-female-ducks-fight-back-against-raping-males/ The wonders of God's creation!

and it was a relevant response to Turkish saying...

I knew mallards reproduce by gang rape and have been caught on film engaging in homosexual necrophilia... Yes, it is a stand up sketch but those bits are true. The wonders of a loving God's intelligent creation! What a great designer he is!

Relative to what? All powerful means there are no limits to his power. In which case he can see the future, so you can now answer my questions.

So are you saying God and Jesus obey human laws? You are very confused about this! The law I quote about killing children who curse their parents is supposed to be a law from God... not humans.

If he doesn't know the future then he isn't all powerful. Do you think he is all powerful?

No it is the work of a kind and loving creator who created creatures that aren't humans who gang rape. What an amazing creator with a wonderful masterplan!

Are you going to use the Bible to prove the Bible? That is a circular argument! What Bible prophecies are you claiming came true? Can you 100% rule out people either reading the scripture and working towards fulfilling it? In which case it is hardly miraculous is it?